2 Jul
2010
2 Jul
'10
8:05 a.m.
Leigh Dyer wrote:
On 2/07/2010 1:07 AM, ailo wrote:
And I assume that if the revenue stream is depressing either way,
perhaps the music being streamed hasn't enough of an audience to
generate the desired income stream? It seems to me that could mean the
stream needs more publicity/marketing - or needs to be made more
interesting to more people.
I hate attempts to force everyone to pay for music/video/etc (via fees
charged for storage media such as blank CD/DVD/memory cards/bandwidth)
whether or not they actually listen to or watch the media.
Perhaps if you don't want to pay for my music, I haven't done a good
enough job of making music you want to pay for?
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
On 07/01/2010 03:09 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:
It's a nice idea, but the money flowing back to the artists from these
streaming services is depressingly small:
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music-artists-earn-o…
Hey guys!
And while I am preparing my answer to some very excellent points made
here (some of which made me rethink several particular situations), I
want to give you some food for discussion - do we really want more
professionals in the field of arts? Is it an unquestionable good that
musicians make a living out of music?
Or, more obviously, writers? What would a writer have to say if all he
sees is his writing desk? So many creative people, both musicians and
writers, changed many professions, received lots and lots of life
experience before they started to seriously create stuff, reflecting
on their experiences.
But so far the law assumes that if someone makes a living off of his
creativity, it will necessarily make him more fruitful. But I've seen
several cases when the effect was the opposite. And that was actually
in the field of music, when a musician would loose his originality and
touch once he got a contract and started to pump out professional cds.
Something did not work out.
Yes, a very big change for a lot of artist who one day are totally
unknown (doing everything by themselves) and the next day having tons of
pressure because of all the people involved: managers, producers, fans,
etc. And suddenly a lot of people are trying to get you to do things
their way (all in the interest of making some money). This of course
usually only happens to artists who make music that CAN make a lot of
money.
Also, when the professional scene is not so
dominating, people tend to
be more musically educated. And in general more people know how to
sing and/or play an instrument. It is actually a statistical fact that
folk music has deteriorated with the rise of professional music and
that the active involvement of people into music has decreased very
significantly, since it became uncommon to compete with highly trained
professionals. A lot of music today is passive entertainment, not
active. This does have an indirect connection to copyright, since
songs written yesterday were written for everybody to sing (even if
they take money for the performance). Nowadays songs are written to be
listened.
Louigi.
At least I would say that people's listening habits aren't as
polarized
as they used to be (remember the times when there were only two music
styles: hard rock and synth?). I don't even know if music has the same
effect on people anymore, since there's so much else on the internet
these days. This may be a very subjective observation, though.
Regarding copyright, have you guys heard of Spotify? It can be used for
free (but with annoying commercial breaks). I've heard that artist are
beginning to earn some money from that now (it was a bit slow in the
beginning). I could imagine having a system like Myspace,
where anyone could set up
an account, and earn money from the traffic amount. Sort of royalty
based income, no middle hands needed. This would at least ensure total
freedom from the artists perspective (especially if one has a lot of
freedom with the web design, using both audio and video). The artist
that wish to make it into an enterprise will no doubt keep working with
producers and managers, even without the traditional record company.
It doesn't give you any freedom with the web design, but Youtube does
this to a degree -- if your video gets enough plays you can begin to get
a share of the revenues it brings in. I don't know a lot about this
though, so it's entirely possible that the revenues are just as
depressing as the streaming music services!