22 Apr
2012
22 Apr
'12
2:27 p.m.
On Sun, April 22, 2012 1:52 pm, Robin Gareus wrote:
We're getting a bit OT here, but it's fun to get known to each other,
isn't it..
google: as long as they don't mind me using Adblock, it's live and let
live. -- I turned down some job offers there for various reasons.
I don't see how one of the most successful Linux companies that makes the
bulk of it's money from advertising is off topic in a thread about the
value of advertising to Linux Audio. Maybe I am missing something?
And does that apply to all other Linux companies or are you just biased
against Ubuntu?
Possibly not any longer but there was a period where Google ads were being
run against the Ardour project.
So, how do you justify that one then? The sole purpose of the event is for
marketing but you are averse to that? I'm not sure why you enjoy that
experience. Maybe it's a French masochistic thing?
Ahh yes, and let us not forget the movie industry. I suppose the creator
of xjadeo does not support the movie industry too?
Panadol?
Strepsils?
Bandaid?
Preparation H?
Or perhaps the money spent by the entire IT industry is enough to sway you?
Hence the request for clarification of Policy. Instead all I get is a knee
jerk reaction and irrational prejudice. Hardly conducive to making
progress...
So a policy that sets clear guidelines is completely out of the question?
Is it simply in the "Too Hard" basket?
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
On 04/22/2012 12:12 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
Funny that no one brought it up until now...
On Sun, April 22, 2012 11:24 am, Robin Gareus wrote:
just take it in stride. -- Your obligation as member of the management
board is also to meet with the others at least once a year :) [ see 2.
at http://linuxaudio.org/policy ]
On 04/22/2012 11:15 AM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
Maybe I am naive but I thought our obligation as a consortium was to
discuss these topics and come to a workable solution that benefits all
members. I'm still not sure why you don't want
businesses to give people round
here
money.
Not at all. "people 'round here" can take all the money they want from
anyone for whatever they deem fit.
but linuxaudio.org itself will have a hard time. Usually money comes
with obligations and we are in no position to handle that properly.
Currently there is no flow of money in or out of
linuxaudio.org - it's
all volunteer work and hosting is sponsored by vt.edu.
That's interesting. So how do you feel about for example, Google? A
Linux
focused company that makes the bulk of it's revenue from advertising,
that
contributes a significant amount of money to open source development and
even employs members of this the Linux Audio Community. They also happen
to be one of the largest companies in the tech world. Are you also advocating the idea that *no one*
should make money
from Linux Audio?
certainly not.
Are you also adverse to all forms of advertising
in relation to Linux
Audio?
Personally, I'm averse against all forms of advertising :)
Would you
prefer Redhat not to advertise and promote to allow them to
achieve billions of dollars in sales? They also provide a significant
amount of financial support to members of this community not to mention
their contributions to the Kernel.
RedHat is doing a fine job. But different rules apply: linuxaudio.org is
a community site, RedHat is a company. Apples and Oranges.
How about Ubuntu? Should Mark Shuttelworth feel
sorry for advertising
the
viability of the ubuntu experience?
My "ubuntu experience" is a rather sad story. I recommend to most PPL
not to use Ubuntu.
Should they stop marketing and promotions?
yes, I'd very much prefer that.
What about
Ardour and Harrison or even Trinity Audio Group? Should they
stop accepting paid advertising or paying for advertising/marketing
opportunities?
There's advertisement on ardour.org ?
What about all
the trade shows where the sole purpose of such events is
for self promotion and marketing?
You're free not to go there. They don't push it on you. If you choose to
go and expect to see self promotion and marketing; that's great! I do
enjoy visiting those events.
And then we
have DJ's, musicians and event promoters. Should they all
stop
marketing themselves and just hope that people come to their gigs?
Not to mention TV and Radio. Both industries represent a significant
potential revenue stream for Linux Audio businesses.
/me does not have a TV nor Radio :)
An least we
forget about all the medical, scientific and other
technology
industries that require our skills to make progress. Do you really think
everyone should stop marketing, promoting and advertising?
No, but I'm also yet to come across a valuable scientific or medical
contribution that directly benefited from marketing or ads.
Do you really
think it is a reasonable policy for the Linux Audio
Community let alone the Consortium which claims to support professional
Linux Audio to be completely anti advertising?
My personal opinion aside:
I'm in favor to maintain a reasonable approach.
The freedom of the community (no user-tracking, no obligations WRT to
content posted on the site, no harassment, no discrimination, etc) takes
priority. We should _not_ be "completely anti advertising", but think
twice before adding ads or agreeing to 3rd party conditions.
We can certainly express gratitude or favor companies that support
linuxaudio.org but must be careful about maintaining independence.
It's not possible to genralize advertising campaigns, but online
marketing techniques usually come with strings attached..
Nobody complained that you put a link to _your_ site on the pages _you_
maintain on *.linuxaudio.org - but 3rd party interests - esp paid - is
questionable.
Do the other
members of this community feel so strongly too? That
advertising is without merit and should be avoided like the plague for
fear of contaminating out precious Linux Audio Ecosystem.
Are we so succeptable to the evil powers of corporations that seek to
control our message and brand that we cannot manage to hold our own
ground
and even take control of the message for our own purposes to promote the
viability and power of the Linux Audio Platform and tools?
probably not, but there's a big lack of manpower behind linuxaudio.org
esp when it comes to bureaucracy, administration and PR. It'd be easy to
subvert the medium and the message.