29 Oct
2011
29 Oct
'11
1:30 a.m.
Am 27.10.2011 06:53, schrieb david:
Hartmut Noack wrote:
I never ever pay for music I dislike accept accidential and because of
the obscene and bizarre way royalities are collected in Germany for
music played in shops or restaurants. The latter has to change before
long indeed (search for "GEMA problem" to find out about the details).
Am 24.10.2011 20:56, schrieb Folderol:
As long as no one is going around saying "Cough up $$$" for music the
listener isn't interested in ... I think what some musicians want is to
(1) do their own thing, whether or not anyone else likes it or is
interested in it, and On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:06:39 -0400
Joe Hartley<jh(a)brainiac.com> wrote:
Exactly.
And if you want to be just a bit more than DIY, you have to invest in
putting your music on the road. That means transportable gear
professional enough for concerts and transportation itself.
It may be possible, to make music with gear for some 2-3 monthly
incomes in the western world but as soon as you are willing to make
your music heard, you have to spend a years income at least.
Some may say: "But I can produce great stuff with software in the box
only plus a vocal-mic and my old guitar for nearly nothing." That is
correct but only for music that can be produced that way. And there
are many great albums produced that way. But if your vision includes
an orchestra or a big metal-drumset or simply live-gigs with a band,
you have to follow and to pay for it.
So to make money with music or films is perfectly legitimate.
In a better world everybody interested in music would be aware of that
and pay his/her fair share to finance musicians without being forced
to by restriction management(and maybe even without the need to pay
about 90% of that share not to the musician but to the distributing
companies). And in such a world technical restriction of
distributionability would be superfluous indeed. On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:37:54 -0400
Paul Davis<paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
> what an interesting claim. perhaps you explain to me how it is that
> this is for sale at (typically) US$0.49 per track:
>
>
http://www.emusic.com/listen/#/album/Global-Illage-Sushilove-Sessions-MP3-D…:
>
>
> and yet I'm still several thousand dollars in debt from the process
> that led to its creation?
It's interesting to me that while the process of music distribution
is vastly different, the mechanics that screw over the musicians are
still firmly entrenched.
Steve Albini wrote this classic piece on how a band that sells a
quarter-million albums can get boned:
http://www.negativland.com/albini.html
Nowadays you can sell much more directly, but that means you pay
the costs directly, too. All that computer gear and the instruments
have to get paid for somehow!
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 1:13 PM, alexander<axeldenstore(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Imo it's absurd that you can charge 0,89€ for a locked down mp3 and
> get away
> with it.. I mean, the profit margins are 100%.. or well, they start
> out at ~
> -99.999...% and rise, approaching 99.99999999999999...% the more
> people who
> buy it.
I believe that the most user-friendly sites (I've heard Amazon& iTunes
referenced) give the artist ~70% of the take, while eMusic only gives
the artist ~30%. So right off the bat, at *best* your direct profit is
only around 70%, but what about the time it takes to make the music?
What
about the space and gear needed to create the music? Even if you're
using 100% open source software that you haven't shelled out a nickel
for and don't use any outboard gear at all, there's still an
investment.
I don't know too many people making money at music, and the ones who
do aren't making a lot, I can tell you.
The 'investment' that most D.I.Y. recording artists forget is time! I
just do
it for fun myself, so I don't care, but if anyone is trying to be at all
serious they should figure in their time at something like £30/hour.
(2) have other people pay them for making music.
That attitude has done a pretty good job of turning modern poetry into
work only understood by the poets creating it ...
If there is no second person on the planet who understands and/or likes
a poem or a piece of music: that this is bad luck that can and should
not be changed by making pathetic attempts to fiddle for mass-appeal.
Every artist must decide, what his or her works should sound or look
like and everyone else is free to decide to like it or leave it. And if
I like something, I do not have a problem paying for it. If the
distribution is decent and the price acceptable.
And the most valuable resource I spare for music I like is not money but
time. I gladly pay the full price for a LP or CD if it only promises,
that it may be worth to spend the time it takes listening to it.
best regards
HZN