26 Feb
2012
26 Feb
'12
7:37 a.m.
Message: 8
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 14:14:40 +0100
From: Fr?d?ric Rech <f.rech(a)yahoo.fr>
Subject: [LAU] OT : Linux have to be a part of changing the world [WAS
: Linux 3.2.0-rt Kernels on Debian Repos!]
To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
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Le 25/02/2012 13:58, Ralf Mardorf a ?crit :
Hi Fred :)
this issue doesn't touch Debian stable. It starts with Debian testing
and is continued with Debian derivatives such as Ubuntu and Mint.
PS: Some people are willing to help unpaid for social projects. They
contribute by giving e.g. medical help to children in the Third World.
It would be nice if they don't need to use Apple or Microsoft, but
instead could use a Linux that works OOTB. They don't contribute by
maintaining Linux, they don't have knowledge how to maintain a tool such
as a computer, but they contribute to the human race.
Everything that goes around, comes around ;).
It's narrow-minded to limit the cycle to Linux only.
:p
Hi Ralf,
I 100% agree with your willing of a free OS for free people.
Thought Debian Stable was this universal OS.
Is it not true ? Have almost follow the exchange between Hermann and
you, and the point
seems to be the Nvidia driver ? Are you sure than NGOs use this kind of
(expensive and 3D-gamer) material on their equipments ?
Cheers,
Fred
Message: 15
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 21:35:44 +0200
From: David Baron <d_baron(a)012.net.il>
Subject: Re: [LAU] Linux 3.2.0-rt Kernels on Debian Repos!
To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
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Yes, the xorg.conf is switched at startup. For Debian and Debian
derivatives take care about the lexical order in rcS.d
For Arch Linux the order when it gets started is settled
in /etc/rc.conf.
spinymouse@oz:~$ ls /media/maverick/etc/rcS.d
README S13pcmciautils S25brltty S37apparmor S47lm-sensors
S55urandom S69switch_xorg.conf S70x11-common
spinymouse@oz:~$ grep DAEMONS /mnt/archlinux/etc/rc.conf
# DAEMONS
DAEMONS=(69switch_xorg.conf hwclock syslog-ng !network !netfs crond
acpid dbus networkmanager rtirq)
[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ cat
/etc/rc.d/69switch_xorg.conf
#! /bin/sh
# /etc/rcS.d/Switch_xorg_conf
rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
case $(uname -r) in
*rt*)
cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf
;;
*)
cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
;;
esac
Will this run BEFORE nvidia is expected (well before any attempt to start
xorg!) ? May need more here: Nouveau, in any event, is
blacklisted in the modules.d
because of the above requirement--the driver or some pre-load of it gets
modprobed early in the bootup sequence. I have not seen or heard from nv in
ages--maybe it does not have this blacklisting idea.
So in toggling Nouveau, I need to copy or remove the blacklist file as well--a
one-liner in each ). It would be nice to be able to have one xorg.conf take
care of this but the above script is not at all bad. Thanks for the idea.
BTW. I like Nouveau, had no problems with it. Inserts a small but readable
console font (instead of nvidia's awful messup) and the desktop looks nice
(allbeit maybe everything a bit smaller than using nvidia). What I miss with
Nouveau is hw acceleration. For many lau apps, this could be a showstopper.
For other retro-fans, one other 3.2-rt problem I encountered was the failure
of snd-mpu401 to modprobe with "no such device." I use it to drive an old
Yamaha sw60xg sound generator ISA card. Oldie but goodie---don't ask how I
manage to still have ISA!
:D You own a super expensive board for industry?
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 10:14:27 -1000
From: david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [LAU] Linux 3.2.0-rt Kernels on Debian Repos!
To: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org>
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On 02/25/2012 12:40 AM, Robin Gareus wrote:
GeForce 7200 GS does work for a while in slow motion performance mode,
but after some minutes of using KDE4 with 3D crap, I need to use the
reset button. I got such a setup for a vanilla install of Mint Lisa KDE
64-bit.
On 02/25/2012 07:05 AM, david wrote:
I contacted one of the Nouveau guys, told him it didn't work. He asked
where was the bug report. Well, here's my "bug" report: have Nouveau
support every bit of hardware that NV does. On 02/24/2012 10:18 AM, hermann wrote:
I've made quite the opposite experience; most if not all
Debian-maintainers that I - either as user or developer - have
communicated with are very open and responsive to feedback. Am Freitag, den 24.02.2012, 09:35 -1000 schrieb
david:
> I do. They should just keep up the NV drivers that DO work until the
> Nouveau drivers also work AND SUPPORT THE SAME HARDWARE, instead of
> dropping NV completely.
You are free to download the source here :
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xserver-xorg-video-nv
and patch it to make it work on debian/sid.
Then, you gone be a part of "They" ;-)
Nice fantasy. I used to be able to read C++ code, but that was long ago.
I think the real problem is that like a few other Linux communities (and
Mac OS X and Windows), Debian doesn't listen to users.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
Message: 18
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 10:42:31 -1000
From: david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [LAU] Linux 3.2.0-rt Kernels on Debian Repos!
To: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org>
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On 02/25/2012 02:44 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Hahaha, I dropped GNOME3 on my machine, use Xfce now, but tried to give
KDE4 a chance. A KDE session for Mint Lisa won't start anymore, since I
installed the proprietary driver and Xfce on Mint Lisa comes with mouse
cursors from KDE, the selected mouse cursors for Xfce are ignored.
Ubuntus Studio Oneiric and Arch Linux are running Xfce only. Suse 11.2
and Edubuntu Maverick still run GNOME2.
- Ralf
On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 12:00 +0000,
linux-audio-user-request(a)lists.linuxaudio.org wrote:
Yah, 3D DE stroke developer egos more. That's why I dropped KDE in favor
of XFCE. If I wanted an OS where I had to by new hardware everytime a
new release came out, I'd have bought Windows. what did you suspect here ?
Users are always welcome to give feedback, suggestions, or at least,
become a part of the project. That is what FLOSS is about. FLOSS isn't
about to present you a OS on a silver tablet, FLOSS will always force
you to make it work. It is community based. If you didn't help, the
community get a bit smaller, and a piece of work fail.
what did you think why a developer develop Free Open Software ?
And what did you think why a debian maintainer do what he do ?
Do you believe they do it to suite there ego's ?
I started the translation of Qtractor a month ago and due to issues such
as pulseaudio and the dropped nv driver (and some other issues) I can't
contribute, continue translating, but just fix issues, hence my only
contribution could be to set up machines for users who are willing to
learn, but are unable to learn all things at the same time, for their
first Linux install. At least distros shouldn't do a default install
with 3D effects enabled DEs and than install the nouveau driver by
default if a NVIDIA graphics was detected. A 2D desktop and the vesa
driver would allow beginners to get their first install working OOTB and
to learn how to maintain their own machine. Btw. some distros don't
install bryltty by default. Nowadays only 3D DEs count.