23 Dec
2010
23 Dec
'10
7:48 p.m.
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Philipp Überbacher
<hollunder(a)lavabit.com> wrote:
Excerpts from Thomas Vecchione's message of
2010-12-21 14:22:39 +0100:
And it does not in any way change what I said. Any package system
documents this, but users don't necessarily know exactly how to read
such a script. I can read a portage ebuild (As well as this package
script)and tell you exactly how a package was built, but that doesn't
change that many gentoo users don't know how to do that. The same
holds just as true for Arch, though the actual ratio of those that do
or don't know may be different, the fact of the matter is you still
get those that don't. What does happen with both of those that
doesn't happen with other build systems is the users go, "I built it
myself" which is technically true but doesn't tell us crud of what we
need to know.
Seablade
For the record, we aren't attacking you, but
you are being used as an
example, it isn't meant to be personal you just happened to bet he
first one that mailed here about it. You did waste a little bit of
time, but far less than those that DO come into IRC and say, I built
this but why isn't this working, to which we go through a long and
tedious debugging process to only find out they built via a
build-script or similar and have no idea what actually happened in the
build process(See my post above, I used to do this so don't think I am
being mean:), and we have to tell them after having wasted sometimes
hours of effort the exact same thing you got in the first response;)
Yes this does happen, sadly more often than we would like.
Seablade
Sorry Seablade, but a build script actually documents how it was built,
you have to commands in there, one ofter the other, for your reading
pleasure. The user can throw you a link, you can have a look and
immediately say things like: "oh, that's wrong, you have to build with
internal SLV2 and without VST or you won't get support".
Arch build scripts are a few lines of bash and you don't even need to
know bash to understand them.