Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulseaudio than others (ICE1712/M-audio delta problem w/ pulseaudio)

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 08:31:46PM +0200, Hartmut Noack wrote: Which is logical, as it is not his priority. But neither does he ignore pro-audio. As one who has commented on PA before I may be allowed to say this: I do *not* hate PA. I just don't need it, since I do not want any 'desktop' sounds on my machines, and I expect to be able to set up a system without PA just as I can set up one without CUPS, or without RAID, or replace Sendmail by Postfix, or in general choose whatever subsystems I actually need. What I *do* hate is that this has become near impossible with major distros, since the way they set up 'a destop system' makes almost everything depend on everything else, regardless of such dependencies being real or not. A mail program is still fully functional even if it doesn't start singing whenever a message arrives, and it should be installable without any dependency on anything audio. That this is not the case is not Lennart's fault. That he actually seems to advocate this type of distro policies is another matter, I can't explain it on rational grounds, and it is the main reason behind my negative reactions towards him at some time. Apart from that, *if* you want 'desktop sound' then PA is probably the best thing since sliced bread. I was *very* surprised to learn that PA at the moment does not have a native API, at least not one Lennart would want to advocate. PA would gain a lot of appeal by providing that. Regarding user ignorance of PA's qualities and configuration options, that is partly the result of what the 'desktop movement' aims to provide. If everything is designed to be automatic and zeroconf then the logical result will be ignorant users. Ciao, -- FA O tu, che porte, correndo si ? E guerra e morte !