16 Nov
2007
16 Nov
'07
1:09 p.m.
Mark Constable wrote:
On 2007-11-16 03:03 pm, Frank Pirrone wrote:
Marc and the Band!
I think we're generally on the same track, but I feel even the MIDI base
of composition is a needless complication. A low-resolution OGG
aligning and registering with the base track would be both uploadable
and downloadable by that postulated Nigerian.
Again, my suggestion entails:
* simple FTP access to a modest server
* everything is rendered as OGG and synchronizes automatically
* only downloads are new tracks, and only if desired
* only uploads are contributors new tracks
* even mixing and mastering can be done on the compressed files
* high-res files are only required for final rendering
Storage capacity can be as low as 100 megabytes or so for twenty 5MB
compressed tracks, and bandwidth might be as little as 5 megabytes when
a single transfer is underway. Assuming 10 participants in different
timezones it may never be higher than that. If we "assign" down and up
times we can even control that, though this is NOT my recommendation.
Frank
> SO........ 20GB storage, 4TB/mo. bandwidth
>
Storage is not an issue but bandwidth always is.
This is absolutely NOT the way to construct a
song through on-line
collaboration. See my postings for an alternative detailed proposal.
They generated little comment, so I assume little interest, but this
magnitude of traffic and bandwidth is both whacked and needless.
I totally agree. There are at least 3 levels of involvement,
a) anything light and simple to initially define a song, proof
of concept songs only have to be MIDI tracks, using say the
fluidr2 soundfont, along with live medium-fi vorbis tracks
anyone gets to play on this level, even via 56k dialup from
Nigeria (ooh, bad example)
b) a semi-pro final mix using flac'd 16bit/44.1khtz audio
tracks and as many MIDI tracks that can be rendered to 16/44
locally (without requiring any transfer of large wavs)
a bit of a compromise but I'm sure the end result could be
quite satisfactory, and so so much Better Than Nothing
c) if a song, or piece, passes both the previous levels and is
deemed worthy of super-pro mastering then those intimately
involved with the piece can make their own arrangments to
deal with transferring 32bit/96khtz master tracks to wherever
is going to do the final mix(s) and perhaps use archive.org
to hold the complete final master mix components
I'd be impressed if I ever see a LAU based a) let alone a b).
A c) by the end of the decade would be too cool.
And just as a note, I am personally interested in GPL-like
songs where the components that went into making the song are
also available somewhere, hence the idea of using Subversion
to deal with some, or even all, parts of a song and indeed it's
entire life cycle of evolvement can be logged and this creative
outline or path is ALSO of great interest to me. A bunch of
guys using collab in "secret" and suddenly releasing a final
mastered ogg to listen to is of little interest to me. How a
song is created with access to the digital parts that make it
up is what I find the most exciting part of this discussion.
Oh, and actually listening to something, as well, would be
kinda cool too :-)
--markc
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