11 Feb
2009
11 Feb
'09
7:19 p.m.
On Wednesday 11 February 2009 17:21:21 Hartmut Noack wrote:
Fons Adriaensen schrieb:
I was wanting to stay out of this for a number of reasons. I just disagree
with this on so many levels. It makes me think of someone saying that someone
should not bother to program unless they do so in machine language or perhaps
if we have to accept it, in assembler.
They are just working with different tools and on different levels. And
perhaps for very different reasons.
In then end, with music, we can each make our call based on what we hear
and "where we are" when we hear.
Such endeavors may be a necessary path for some to take to get elsewhere. For
others, it may be their preferred destination.
Can one not produce an artistic picture using an autofocus camera? Is it not
art unless you have set your aperture, and shutter speed and such manually?
Would you be happy with this altered statement:
Basicly everything, that makes every decision, and leaves none for the artist
to make him/herself is a toy, not an instrument.
I want to say more but am running out of time.
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 08:30:32PM +0100, Frank
Barknecht wrote:
The second is why one would reduce the natural
rythm of any piece of music to a regular beat.
Good question and most of those, who do the above-mentioned
beat-adding to gregorian chants etc do not ask
that question. Or they come up with answers
like: because the cd-buyers may like it...
But there *can* be better answers to this question I could think of.
Such as: to destroy and distort a music in order to create a very new
one. I never heard a successfull experiment like this performed with
gregorian chants though...
One reason can be that this is an aesthetic
feature in itself. There are some musical
genres that are firmly based on this idea.
Another reason - without wanting to comment
on the OP's musical abilities which I don't
know - is just incompetence - the inability
to handle a piece of music unless it has a
simple regular rythmic structure.
I too will not question the abilities of all those, who ask for such
assitance but I dare to estimate, that 9 out of 10 users of
beat-detection-automatisms do not use such tools to widen their own
atistic horizons but to narrow the horizon of the music they'd like to
use as an accompainment for their playing.
What would you think if someone were asking
'is there any program that can simplify the
harmony of a song so I can play a three-note
bass line to it' ??
I can play a 3-note bassline to *any* piece of music - and I do not need
any assistance by any software to do so ;-)
Seriously: to have some comforts and automagic is cool and can have a
very positive impact on a musical work. A sofware for beat-measurement
can help to analyse a give piece of music to find ways to add something
constructive to it. But all that "Get our 20000-loopsample-DVD/our
200-prograde-preset Guitarampemulation/ our easy-klick-your-hit
sequencer and become a big star in no time and whithout any
learning-trouble!" is emberracing nonsense made for consumes, not for
artists.
Basicly everything, that makes decisions, an artist should make
him/herself is a toy, not an instrument.
best regs HZN
all the best,
drew