26 Jul
2005
26 Jul
'05
5:05 p.m.
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:57 , Eric Dantan Rzewnicki <rzewnickie(a)rfa.org> sent:
On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 11:03:49AM +0100, Steve Harris
wrote:
iiiiime too:wq!
On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 10:36:10 +0100, tim hall
wrote:
Yes. I find vi to be very intuitive.
Last Monday 25 July 2005 22:15, Kevin Cosgrove
was like:
True, you have to decide wether its worth the effort. When
I started
developing on UNIX machines I watched the old hands and relaised that 1)
they were all much faster than me, and 2) they (almost) all used vi. So I
took the effort to learn, in the knowledge that I would spend a lot of my
life typing. It took makes months to be able to fly vi, but now you can
prise it from my cold dead fingers.
I experience extreme discomfort when forced to use a non-modal editor,
and when I have to go through afterwards and remove all the ^[hhhhhhcw
afterwards :)
For anyone whos thinking of learning, dont start by trying to digest it
all, just start with i A yy dd, and go from there, its all pretty
logical when you get into it. On 25 July 2005 at 15:46, Ben Loftis
ben(a)glw.com> wrote:
> Most professional audio gear is like a bicycle. A bike is
> certainly not intuitive to a first time user, but once you
> learn how to balance, steer, etc, you can get around faster
> than someone on foot. This has sometimes been described as
> "intuitable" rather than intuitive.
Or, "discoverable" versus "usable".
Word is easy to discover for easy things to do. 'vi' is
*much* faster, if my 'vi' speed versus the 'Word' speed of my
compatriots is any gauge. Pull-down menus are "intuitive", where
as hot-keys are not. But, hot-keys get the work done quickly
once they're known. Pull-down menus which list their hot-key
shortcuts in the menu are quite nice for me. The Opera web
browser is one example of this.
Thanks Kevin. All keybindings have to be learned.
I can't use vi without
constant reference to the manual. I dare say the same would be true of emacs.
I dislike them both and use nedit for everything, simply because it works
much more like a Windows based editor, so I had to relearn less in order to
get typing when I first migrated. It's nothing to do with intuitabilty either
- old habits die hard.