26 Aug
2010
26 Aug
'10
2:31 p.m.
On Thu, August 26, 2010 1:47 am, Rob wrote:
Lady Gaga, Rhianna, Kanye... Name a pop music icon and listen the their
latest club mix and you will hear the technique in action... The clubs you
have been going to are not catering to mainstream Pop culture. For the
purposes of this discussion I have no direct interest in that crowd or the
emotional content of the music played at those clubs. I'm talking about
the vast majority of clubs that play middle of the road pop culture hits
remixed for the club sound.
Let me preface this by saying I'm not a fan of
club music, but almost my
entire social circle is made up of people who are.
I am also not a fan of this type of music which is why I am interested in
subverting it if it is possible ;-)
On Thursday 26 August 2010 01:37, Patrick Shirkey
wrote:
Yes I agree. Hence I wonder if it is possible to get to these people
subconsciously without them realising and possibly even encouraging the
event?
Yes, this is my conundrum so to speak. Is it
possible to subvert the
subconscious minds of people in such an environment and have DJ's
happily play said music and people happily listen to and therefore
absorb it's affects?
Most people who go to clubs are not going there to think, they're going
there to lose their minds. Certainly going to a club and not drinking
(and
being in full possession of my faculties) is a real drag, but I do it
anyway now and then to try to be social, not to try and gain insight or
anything like that.
DJs will play what gets people dancing and bars will
hire DJs who keep
people coming back to dance and drink. I have a theory that what you
think
of as sexual music is simply music people associate with sexual contexts
after years of experiencing them together. Someone might have said the
same thing about R&B or rock and roll 50 years ago, and in fact, I'm
pretty
sure they did. But "Hound Dog" has never gotten my blood flowing.
I think the relation between sexual content and the attempt or success of
getting to the subconscious sexual emotions of the listener are clearly
defined in all modern pop remixed for a club sound.
I have to also
mention I am talking entirely about the
Britney/Miley/Florider/... club sound now.
I'm not sure what clubs you go to, but I can't remember the last time I
heard Britney Spears or Miley Cyrus at one (not sure about the third act
you mentioned). I bet you would have a few things to say about Lady Gaga
if you heard her stuff and its remixes, though.
On the other hand, I can't recall ever getting
sexual feelings out of
music. Maybe there are some provocative videos that go with them, or
sexually oriented lyrics, but music doesn't turn me on that way.
Aggression, though, sure. There's already plenty of chill-out music out
there, though, that's meant to have the opposite effect.
Finally, portraying "more intelligent, tolerant, open minded,
compassionate, altruistic" as existing exclusive of sexuality seems like a
false dichotomy to me, though I'm not going to give counterexamples on a
publicly archived list.
Not my intention to portray exclusivity. In fact sexuality and aggression
are often mixed together in club music so it makes sense that either or
both of the above could be mixed with other emotions as well.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd.