28 Nov
2010
28 Nov
'10
8:17 p.m.
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:40:11AM +0100, Renato Budinich wrote:
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Louigi Verona
<louigi.verona(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
That's pretty much what I was trying to say. No matter what your tools choice is, to
do something at the quality level of Moldover or other loop-meisters, the hours messing
around with the tools and getting them set up will be nothing compared to the hours of
music selection, processing, cutting, arranging, composing-- just as with creating any
other kind of composition--, and also the many hours of practice and committing your
performance to muscle memory-- just as is required to master any other instrument.
"Easy" was probably the wrong word to use-- especially in the context of
anything to do with Linux :-). My apologies.
-ken
"The real work is in collecting and
organizing the music, and organizing
your controller's workflow to make performance smooth and interesting, as
Moldover has done."
I wish that was true, but I understand what Renato says about diving into
technical details and spending more time programming or configuring things
rather than working on music. Organizing is important, but when Sooperlooper
simply does not display what loop is being played and you need around 20
loops at the very least when 4 already take up the whole screen -
Sooperlooper's ability to be controllerism software, which requires clarity
of interface and quick workflow, becomes too theoretical.
I absolutely do not want to say that Linux software is not capable of
providing controllerism in question, but at the moment - let's say, it is
not trivial. And for a musician who is not a programmer - basically, close
to impossible.
I would love to be proven wrong, because then I would use this solution on
Linux myself. But at the moment all discussions along the lines of "You
could just as easily do some controllerism stuff with a hacked Novation of
your own, or an Arduino, or a Monome, and just about any looper" feel like
the person who is saying it did not really try. Especially, the word
"easily" grates on the ears.
=)
--
Louigi Verona
http://www.louigiverona.ru/
I understand your point Louigi. OTOH this controllerism-type of thing
seems a rather new approach to music, and quite a radical one. All of
the artists mentioned in this thread have actually done a lot of work
themselves to "bend" equipment and software.
If you want to make something similar, I think you should put into
account spending much time with design AND technical issues, be it
windows or linux
anyway, cyclone looks good, I will try it. One thing I want to
experiment is using seq24 to control sooperlooper/cyclone