26 Jan
2005
26 Jan
'05
10:19 a.m.
Just chiming in on the reverb subject.
I have Pro Tools and Digital Performer with a host of stock and VST reverbs but
I like my linux reverbs an awful lot. The ladspa version of Gverb is nice I
think but one of the best, though you have to process it off line, is from DAP.
http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~richardk/
I like to make a separate stereo track of my carefully tweaked DAP track and mix
it in with the original.
Just my $.02.
Matt
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2. RE: RME Multiface with ALSA 1.08 (Ivica Ico Bukvic)
3. Re: Decent reverb, and DSP in hardware? (Joe Hartley)
4. Re: Decent reverb, and DSP in hardware? (Jon Morin)
5. Re: Decent reverb, and DSP in hardware? (Steve Harris)
6. Re: dssi segfault (Walco)
7. Re: Decent reverb, and DSP in hardware? (Mark Constable)
8. Re: RME Multiface with ALSA 1.08 (Christian Schumann)
9. Re: Decent reverb, and DSP in hardware? (Steve Harris)
10. RE: RME Multiface with ALSA 1.08 (Frank smith)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:25:24 +0100
From: David <dplist(a)free.fr>
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] M audio delta 44
To: A list for linux audio users <linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu>
Cc: eviltwin69(a)cableone.net
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:21:23 -0500
Eric Dantan Rzewnicki <rzewnickie(a)rfa.org> wrote:
So what is the best path of action to ensure we have
access to professional quality reverb sometime this
century ?
What are the possible options?
--markc
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:22:44 +0100
From: Christian Schumann <schumann(a)physik.uni-kl.de>
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface with ALSA 1.08
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On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 08:46:45PM -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:07:34AM +0000, Tobiah
wrote:
You're right. And the optional Omni I/O preamp/breakout box is an
analog-only device, like a miniature mixer.
It works great here in my system, thanks to the ALSA developpers and
the fine attitude of the manufacturer.
>If you wonder why
>the 1010lt is so much cheaper per channel: it has the DA/AD's on
>board while the 44, 66 and 1010 [without lt] have them in a
>breakout box which should help keeping noise out..
I'm pretty sure the da/ad on my 66 lives on the pci card. But, I only make noise, so I can't say
anything about how much that
detail affects the quality of my work.
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Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia
Have a nice day.
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David
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:46:45 -0500
From: "Ivica Ico Bukvic" <ico(a)fuse.net>
Subject: RE: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface with ALSA 1.08
To: <Martin.Wohlleben(a)gmx.de>de>, "'A list for linux audio users'"
<linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu>
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Similar problem here except probably worse. Nando has also reported similar
issues on alsa-devel list. I'd suggest voicing your concerns there as to the
best of my knowledge the hdsp stuff is broken in 1.0.8.
Best wishes,
Ivica Ico Bukvic, composer & multimedia sculptor
http://meowing.ccm.uc.edu/~ico/
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Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface with ALSA 1.08
Hello,
is anybody using ALSA 1.08 with a RME Multiface over Cardbus interface?
I'm currently working with a SUSE Kernel 2.6.5 and tried a SUSE Kernel
2.6.8
too.
The Kernel 2.6.5 work's fine with ALSA 1.03 but after an upgrade to ALSA
1.08
I got problems with the hdspmixer from alsa-tools.
The same problem occured with SuSE's 2.6.8 Kernel from SuSE 9.2 - even
without
an update to ALSA 1.08.
After the upgrade the peaks of the first 7 analog channels jitter and the
RMS
values (calculated by Multiface) aren't updated right.
The sound is ok but the hdspmixer problem is real annoying.
Anybody who got his Multiface working with ALSA 1.08?
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:02:16 -0500
From: Joe Hartley <jh(a)brainiac.com>
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Decent reverb, and DSP in hardware?
To: A list for linux audio users <linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu>
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:28:56 -0800
Florin Andrei <florin(a)andrei.myip.org> wrote:
Anyway, i'm pretty disappointed with the
software reverbs available on
Linux. Myself, i resigned for the moment to hardware reverb:
http://www.tcelectronic.com/M-OneXL
It's not convolution but it's actually pretty damn good (and very
flexible).
I still go to a rack of outboard gear for a number of my effects, including
compression and reverb. I use a t.c. M300 which also has a multi-effect
channel.
Anyway, yeah, we need much better reverbs on
Linux. We're lagging behind
a lot in that area.
There's been some good work done by folks so far, but yes, this is true.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:30:21 -0500
From: Jon Morin <jon.j.morin(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Decent reverb, and DSP in hardware?
To: A list for linux audio users <linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu>
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I actually just started using ecasound, and it can do some pretty cool
things. I'm still looking for that "perfect" reverb, but I'm
constantly amazed by the depth and variety of audio software available
for Linux. I do a lot of non-realtime stuff, so ecasound, csound,
Audacity, apps like that are very useful to me. I love being able to
script things like ecasound, and it's just awesome the number of ways
(different ways from other platforms) that these tools can be used. I
understand that audio on Linux is still a maturing platform, and my
prediction is that in a year, I won't be wanting for much when it
comes to my dream Linux studio. My hats off to all of the Linux audio
developers.
Jon
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:32:22 +0000
From: Steve Harris <S.W.Harris(a)ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Decent reverb, and DSP in hardware?
To: A list for linux audio users <linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu>
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On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 07:16:42 +0000, Frank smith wrote:
Hi All
Can we use VST plugins with any Linux apps?
Only those that use a vst loading libarary or support dssi plugins.
However this is not really a solution, your still running propreitary,
windows code. One or the other is probably not too bad, but both? :)
- Steve
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:46:17 +0100
From: Walco <walco-linux(a)n--tree.net>
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] dssi segfault
To: A list for linux audio users <linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu>
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Steve Harris wrote:
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 02:46:08 -0800, Matthew
Allen wrote:
IIRC, make sure that the name reported by hostname(1) is in the
/etc/hosts file. Otherwise liblo would segfault when trying to launch a
new server.
Cheers,
Walco
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:52:38 +1000
From: Mark Constable <markc(a)renta.net>
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Decent reverb, and DSP in hardware?
To: A list for linux audio users <linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu>
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Steve Harris wrote:
I have been trying to get dssi up and running on
my machine this
afternoon and I have run into a snag. It appears to compile correctly
(both CVS and tarballs). But whenever I try to do the tests I get a
segfault. I know its some user error, but its difficult to track down
with only a segfault.
Is there a common mistake I am doing?
Segfaults are (almost) never due to user errors. Unless you did
something truely wierd or forced an install its the developers fault :)
It could be that your system networking config is a bit odd. Verisons of
liblo < 0.16, which the DSSI test code depends on, segfaulted under some
condititons.
Unfortunatly I cant remember the fix, but hopefully someone here can... Can we use
VST plugins with any Linux apps?
Only those that use a vst loading libarary or support dssi plugins.
However this is not really a solution, your still running propreitary,
windows code. One or the other is probably not too bad, but both? :) Similar problem here except probably worse. Nando
has also reported similar
issues on alsa-devel list. I'd suggest voicing your concerns there as to
the
best of my knowledge the hdsp stuff is broken in
1.0.8.
I have my HDSP Digiface working with ALSA 1.0.8 under linux 2.4.27, but
last night I tried to get it working with 2.6.11rc2-RT, which was to no
positive result. So to me it seems that this is a compatibility issue
with ALSA 1.0.8 and kernel 2.6, because it works with 2.4
Regards
Christian
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:34:13 +0000
From: Steve Harris <S.W.Harris(a)ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Decent reverb, and DSP in hardware?
To: A list for linux audio users <linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu>
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On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 06:52:38 +1000, Mark Constable wrote:
Steve Harris wrote:
So what is the best path of action to ensure we have
access to professional quality reverb sometime this
century ?
Well, I'm not a reverb expert, but my impression is that convolved reverbs
are the way to go*. The actual code is relativly simple, and we allready
have open source examples, and its possible for people with decent
recording equimpent and access to spaces with interesting acoustics, or
artificial reverb units to capture thier own impulses. They can also be
synthsised using a method similar to raytracing.
The downside is that the parameters you can control are very limited, and
it burns quite a lot of CPU power, and there can be latency. The upside is
that the sound can be very good.
There is an obivious technique to prevent any latency problems, but bits
of it are probably patented by Lake DSP, though the situation is a bit
murky.
If I had more time I'd like to take the code in brutefir and make it into
a DSSI plugin with a simple dropdown select-an-impulse, set gain type
interface.
I have a sizeable library of impulses, but unfortuantly I dont know the
provenance of many of them.
- Steve
* In the interests of full disclose, I have an addiction to convolution
that should be decalred :)
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:14:10 +0000
From: Frank smith <hg(a)web-links.net>
Subject: RE: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface with ALSA 1.08
To: A list for linux audio users <linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu>
Message-ID: <1106734450.4660.12.camel(a)bear.rokpa>
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HI I to had a the same problems with my RME card on Alsa and FC3.
I can see the HDSP Icon on Gnome along with the config icon but it
doesn't do anything.
Cheers
Bob
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 20:46 -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
> Similar problem here except probably worse. Nando has also reported
> similar
> issues on alsa-devel list. I'd suggest voicing your concerns there as
> to the
Can we use
VST plugins with any Linux apps?
Only those that use a vst loading libarary or support dssi plugins.
However this is not really a solution, your still running propreitary,
windows code. One or the other is probably not too bad, but both? :) best of my knowledge the hdsp stuff is broken in
1.0.8.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ivica Ico Bukvic, composer & multimedia sculptor
> http://meowing.ccm.uc.edu/~ico/
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