14 Nov
2004
14 Nov
'04
9:36 a.m.
Hi guys,
--- Dave Phillips <dlphilp(a)bright.net> wrote:
I thought of that moments before Ron
Parker
suggested the same thing.
I'll probably add another voice this week, maybe get
around to fixing
that drum track too.
Thanks for your opinions and suggestions, Luke, I
appreciate that anyone
takes the time to listen to it.
A little more background about the recording. The
song's been sitting in
my head for about a year or longer, but I didn't
have the gear to do a
decent recording. Getting the Delta 66 and getting
deeper into Ardour
changed that, so now I'm all fired up to record more
material. I like a
"live band" kind of sound for my songs, very few of
them would want a
lot of arrangement, but I also use sequencer tracks
extensively
(sometimes it's just easier for me to write the
parts via MIDI). I'll
post more material to the page, hopefully my
production values will show
some progress as I move along.
Next song: "Maria Elena", a guitar piece. Two
acoustic guitars, acoustic
bass, I play all parts (no MIDI). Should be on-line
in a day or two.
Btw, I followed some suggestions from other
Ardouristas and tried some
LADSPA plugins I hadn't ever used. SC4, Gverb, and
the TAP plugins are
*sweet*...
Best regards,
dp
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luke(a)chipcity.com.au wrote:
I agree, it sort of jumps in without
introduction.
Actually I was trying to recreate the situation
where the harmonica
player shows up late to the gig and jumps on to the
stage just in time
to deliver his blistering solo... well, I got the
"late to the gig" part
right... ;)
Agreed again. They're obviously
sequenced, and I
should have spent more
time making variations. The drums are the part I
like least. The
rhythm's okay, but the part's repetitiveness annoys
me too.
I really like Luke's suggestions. Very sensible pop
arrangement ideas. A month or so back, my studio
partner Bill Bailey, mentioned Peter Gabriel and his
drum production. I heard Sledge Hammer at a sound
check and didn't listen closely but I think if you
studied Gabriel's drum production you would find that
there isn't one cymbal hit in that song--I'm not
absolutely certain about that. So, what was he
thinking:
Part of Gabriel's success is his production and sound.
He has a loud in your face style. Cymbals are loud
announcements and Gabriel has vocals in all the spots
where cymbals belong but the vocals are more
important. Solution; no cymbals. You think?
In contrast, Dave's song is an entirely different
style of music but it has the same considerations of
every song including Sledge Hammer. So we make
decisions when arranging music; what instrument best
dictates the fell for any given part and if drums,
then everyone supports the drummer. If vocals then
everyone supports the vocal part.
In my own ignorant tractor repairman way, I like to
consider full orchestral arrangements. How many string
players and how many parts; 12 players and one part?
The most talented audio engineers in the world can't
make 12 selfish fools sound good. To book, imagine
some poor construction worker trying to hum the
melodies of 12 fools.
Anyway,
ron
I was impressed by your song and their are a
couple
of improvements in terms of song that I'd suggest.
1. The very start, begin with Harmonica to
introduce the instrument.
2. Go easy on the toms in each second bar of your
phrase (leave them out, vary them, make them *less*
obvious).
3. Add vocal
harmony in 3rd chorus (keep listener
interested.