28 Jun
2004
28 Jun
'04
8:53 p.m.
On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 17:28, Chris Pickett wrote:
Jan Depner wrote:
All good points.
On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 08:48, Chris Pickett
wrote:
I think I understand what you're saying: if there's enough people with
good hardware and knowledge of how to do a2d correctly, then it's
possible to get around all copy protection schemes.
The problems I see are:
1) this requires p2p networks to work, which have dubious legal status,
depending on your country, whereas it's not illegal to rip CD's at home
(barring DMCA nonsense)
2) it takes a lot longer to rip a2d than d2d
3) you can't pick files from networks just based on bit-rate; you either
need to go by the ripper's reputation, or by listening to them yourself,
to check that the person did it correctly.
Jan Depner wrote:
You're missing the point; I have no problem doing it correctly, I have
a pro soundcard, and it only takes one person ;-) After that it's all
digital. On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 02:46, Anahata wrote:
>On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 12:35:03AM +0300, Sampo Savolainen wrote:
>
>
>>you could try to find a CD player
>>with spdif output and, presuming you have spdif input on your computer,
>>record the data digitally from a normal player.
>
>The possibility of doing this (I assume copy protected CDs can't prevent
>it, if they can be played at all) is one more thing that makes a
>mockery of the whole business of copy protection.
What really makes a mockery of the copy protection racket is what the
RIAA calls the "analog hole". If I can hear it, I can copy it. Find a
CD player that can handle the chewed up CD, run the analog outs to your
computer, record it. I seriously doubt that there is anyone around who
can tell the difference between a digitally ripped copy and a digitally
encoded analog copy.
I can tell the difference, if it's not done properly, and it isn't
entirely trivial to do it properly. For starters, you need a decent
soundcard ... I've tried the stereo mini-in jack on this laptop and also
on a couple of other older motherboards / soundblasters and the quality
is _nowhere_ near the quality I get out of the VXpocket v2 with balanced
inputs, and even that's probably at the lower end of the "prosumer"
range. Non-sound people I know can immediately tell the difference too.
I've heard enough badly ripped vinyl recordings that I don't really
trust the general populace to make analog-to-digital encodings of any
work. Admittedly there are more complex factors involved with vinyl
than with CD's, but if it's any indication ...
Basically, at this point, in my opinion, the RIAA
doesn't have much to
worry about w.r.t. the "analog hole".
Actually, a lot of what's available on P2P is analog ripped.
Anyway, for me it's a moot point ... I just buy
vinyl!
I can't find anything old (like me) in good shape or I'd do the same.
Jan