12 Apr
2004
12 Apr
'04
12:09 a.m.
--- Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)comcast.net> wrote:
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On Sun, 2004-04-11 at 13:16, R Parker wrote:
> Hi,
Ron,
I'm not totally sure I'm in tune with the exact
problem yet, but on
my end today I'm doing some first mixes of a Big
Band group I recorded
Thursday and last evening. 8 horns, drums, bass,
guitar and piano.
Probably not the same sort of music you're working
on. (Strange music
for me too....jeez...I'm dancing close with a sexy
brunette in 1940's
New York...) ;-)
That sounds like a fun job. I don't work with live
horn sections very often but man they are great.
My first step, which doesn't effect sound if
it's
done right, was to
simply normalize the tracks up a bit. (I told the
normalizer to make the
highest peak -1db)
I've never normalized a track. Can normalization hold
a -0.5db peak to -0.5 while it pushes a -12db valley
up to -6db?
If normalization behaves that way, it can help
"louden" a mix which would be appropriate for my
situation. That combined with cutting dominant
frequencies would give me the loudness I need.
I'll read up on normalization tonight. Do we have a
LADSPA normalization plugin or are they non-realtime
tools? I imagine you must produce a new normalized
file. Is that correct?
Until this job, I've never really needed to get every
bit of available gain from a mix so normalization has
never meant anything to me. Someone on this list tried
to explain it to me once but I'm to old and bullheaded
to learn anything new. That is, until my rear end is
hanging in the air.
I'm no expert on compressors, but I think a
4-band compressor is a
really place to start for what you want to do, so
Jamin should be
helpful. My biggest recommendation would be to
compress as little as
possible. If I do too much it all sounds unnatural.
In my case it's
really only the band below 100Hz that's consistently
ranging down. The
other 3 are moving much less.
With the job I'm doing compression and limiting are
probably alot more extreme than what you're doing.
This is multitrack pop music. Reguardless, when I
reach for the last bit of gain, I'm limiting to damned
hard. If normalization does what I hope then it
combined with leveling the floor by cutting and
compressing dominant frequencies might enable me to
achieve greater "loudness" without the super hard
limiting. As I think about it, I'm not sure what else
normalization could be.
Good stuff, thanks for the help,
ron
> --- Steve Harris <S.W.Harris(a)ecs.soton.ac.uk>
wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 10:04:43 -0700,
R
Parker
> > wrote:
> > > Not sure but I probably mentioned something
> about
> > this
> > > several months ago. Steve, do you have a
soft
clip
> The thing is my client has requested a %20 > LADSPA plug? If yes, I think it should be a
candidate
> for adding to the output stage of JAMin.
There are some soft clip LADSPA plugins, but I
dont
> think any of them are
> better than JAMin's "boost". > in
> volume across the entire album. The first
question
> is
> does he know what he's asking for. Well, he
probably
> has a fair enough idea. He has compared the
old
> master
> with stylistically similar million dollar
masters
> and
> concluded the percentage to increase.
>
> If anyone here has tricks for achieving gain, I
need
> to hear about them. My bag ain't got
alot in it.
I
> basically cut dominant frequency either
with
> compression or equalization and with the leveled
off
> floor, achieve gain possible; input,
compressor
> makeup, limiter input, boost and output. Of
course
> then it's just a matter of tweaking
ratios,
> thresholds, etc.
>
> The trade off in general is less dynamics and
more
> distortion with several deciables of
increased
> volume.
> I love the work but this job is like a No Rules
Cage
> Match. I might eventually win the title but
it's
a
> good thing I brought lunch and a first aid
kit.
>
> > I've heard that you can ignore peaks that only
go
> > over 0dB for less than a
> > millisecond, but I've not experimented with
it.
I think this is very specific to to where in the
chain it happens as
well as the exact system you're using.
>
> If that's the case, then I might have this job
in
> the
> bag. I'm watching overloads at the input
channels of
> my mixer flicker on and off. I've been
trying
very
> hard to have absolutely zero overload
indications.
>
> Any idea how to test this potential point of
> flexibility or how to push this limit? What am I
> watching for and how do I watch for it? This
seems
> like a very interesting area of study.
I've
gotta do
> a
> dirt knap and then maybe google about or
something.
ron
- Steve
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