I never got the point of Java. It has terrible
performance and is much more
 complicated then Python.
 If you want performance go to C/C++, if you want produtivicty go Python. So
 why Java? 
To get a job? Java is all over Corporate America.
 2010/10/14 Kris Calabio <cpczk(a)yahoo.com>
 > That's assuming that you begin using java with an IDE.  I never started
 > using eclipse until after like a couple years of programming.  As long as
 > you have the Java API on your system, doing it all on terminal is easy.
 >
 > I see what you're saying though about "take this as given, ignore it for
 > now."  What does public static void main( String[] args ) even mean anyway,
 > right?  Personally, I think the low-levelness of C might be a little
 > intimidating.  I've never used Python before, but it seems like it would be
 > a better first language than Java.
 >
 > -Kris
 >
 > --- On *Thu, 10/14/10, Philipp ??berbacher <hollunder(a)lavabit.com>* wrote:
 >
 >
 > From: Philipp ??berbacher <hollunder(a)lavabit.com>
 >
 > Subject: Re: [LAU] OT: C or C++?
 > To: "linux-audio-user" <linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org>
 > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 11:10 AM
 >
 >
 > Excerpts from Kris Calabio's message of 2010-10-14 19:22:32 +0200:
 > > What are everyone's honest thoughts on Java?  When I started Computer
 > Science at my school, they were teaching Java.  Personally, I thought it
 > nice to learn from.  I then moved on to C and C++ pretty smoothly.  (Though
 > I still have alot to learn in C++).
 > >
 > > -Kris
 >
 > I'm not experienced in any language but I've dabbled with a few, and
 > imho java and how it's taught here is far too complicated or rather
 > distracting.
 >
 > The first thing newbies see, before hello world, is a beast like
 > eclipse, which alone causes a whole bunch of problems. Then they have
 > to mess with packages, and classes, and objects, although they teach it
 > here by saying "take this as given, ignore it for now". The next thing
 > they see are some funky classes that allow proper input/output because
 > java doesn't seem to have that. Only then they get to start programing
 > and can deal with javas built in funkyness.
 > What does the following example evaluate to?
 >    1.2+3+"||"+3+2.1
 >
 > I think there's far too much distracting mess to sort out before you
 > even get to programing, so I don't think it's a good teaching language
 > (for total beginners at least).
 >
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