Hi Ron thats a nice sound on the vocals there.
Talking of that heres a link for you all.
The song will just play
Instead of me telling you what was used,
have a guess!!
I'll tell you its an Takomine with electrics built in.
into a DDX 3216 and into Ardour on 64studio
So:
1 How was it recorded?
2 What mike/type was used on the vocals
I think this was we have to losten to the track in a different light
without knowing what kit was used.
Just curious to see what you all think.
Cheers
Bob
R Parker wrote:
Hi Paul,
After a very quick listen I think your wife has a very
nice voice. Is she ready to leaving you? Because I am
available.
Ron
--- Paul Winkler <pw_lists(a)slinkp.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 08:55:20AM -0500, Brett
McCoy wrote:
I'm of the opinion that you should work on
getting
the vocals to sound
good dry -- before adding any effects. What are
you using to record the
vocals? I recommend a good condensor mike and a
pre-amp,
+1000. The best investment is a good mic.
It doesn't have to be all that expensive if you do
your research.
I bought an MXL V67G on ebay for under $100 with
shock mount
and I've been pretty happy with the results. Google
for that
and "Harvey Gerst" and you'll know why I got it.
Gerst's online
writings are priceless for people doing recording on
the cheap.
Sure, I'd rather have a Neumann, but who has the
money for that?
Another important point about mics is that some mics
are better
suited to different voices or even different songs.
Try what
you have, there's no such thing as the one true mic.
My preamps aren't anything special - I have a Mackie
1202 VLZ - it's
fine for now, but a little harsh in the treble. I'll
probably upgrade
that before getting any more expensive mics.
I often compress on the way in, using an FMR RNC.
(But not always;
sometimes I leave it until later and use SC4 mono).
Vocals are pretty
tolerant of large amounts of compression, and I find
that having good
solid levels in my headphones helps me get better
pitch. So does having
some reverb in the phones. I do in-computer reverb
with hardware
monitoring by setting up a bus for the reverb and
setting its input to
the hardware input, so it doesn't go to "tape".
Then I listen to the
results without reverb and sometimes decide it
doesn't need any! But
anything that helps an unconfident singer (i.e. me)
get a better
performance is worthwhile.
I've tried all the reverbs... freeverb, gverb, TAP
reverb,
versatile plate... I don't have a favorite yet,
they're all useful for
vocals.
A tip for using Freeverb: It may seem a bit plain
and sometimes harsh
for vocals by itself, but you can get very good
sounds out of it with
some tricks:
First, set the "damping" really high, that makes it
smoother.
Now try adding some predelay - a simple delay plugin
in front of the reverb,
at 100% wet; try around 50 ms delay to start with -
that makes the
"room" a little bigger and more interesting. Lower
the delay time to make it more subtle; bump it up to
100 ms to make it a more obvious effect.
Finally, try post-filtering; follow the delay/reverb
combo with a low
pass filter (the simple one-pole filter from CMT
will do fine); set the
cutoff around 5000 Hz to start with and adjust to
taste. Smooooth.
Here's an example using the above freeverb recipe
(please don't anybody
make permanent links to this one as it's a rough mix
of stuff that we're
probably going to re-record due to some performance
flubs and some
too-hot levels you can hear a bit):
http://slinkp.com/~paul/dont_get_sad_mix_20051206.mp3
I played guitar and sang backups (badly), my wife
sang lead
(beautifully).
And no, we didn't write that, it's a cover of an Ida
song.
I wish I wrote that.
Other technical notes:
Lots of compression (SC1) on each vocal track.
Maybe 6:1 ratio, attack around 30 ms, release around
120 ms. No EQ on
Abby's voice. I forget if that was the MXL V67G or
the MXL V57 (which I
sometimes like better on female voices, it has less
of an upper-mid
presence peak).
Some 10-band EQ on my voice due to poor mic choice
during tracking
(Sennheiser 421 which is a GREAT all-purpose mic but
for this song I
found it too present and sibilant in the upper mids
for backing vocals).
Which brings up another idea ... if you want a
brighter
reverb sound than I was going for in that track,
like super-in-your-
face radio pop, one problem is that voices can get
really sibilant.
TAP De-Esser can be really handy here. Put it on the
vocals
after compression, before EQ and before reverb.
Then you can
make really obnoxiously bright vocals without the
ssssssibilancccccce
tearing your head off. I don't have any recorded
examples of
this to share - yet :-)
and use
balanced XLR for the entire signal path, at least
until where the signal
is going into your audio interface, where you
probably just have RCA or
1/8" inputs.
That's nice if the rest of your gear is already
pretty good, but
personally I don't worry about balancing line levels
at this point.
In my view it's a lot less important than having a
good mic, good
soundcard, and good preamp.
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
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