4 Jun
2016
4 Jun
'16
8:44 p.m.
On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 16:08:14 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Will Godfrey
<willgodfrey(a)musically.me.uk> wrote:
That's wrong, "process music" underlies a human composer, the cognitive
process of a composer, the selection process of a composer. The emotion
not necessarily is what the music transports, the emotion could be,
what a composer animates to make music. It requires ardour (not the
software) to do this. A machine has got no impetus to make music. You
can use a machine for composing, you can use random processes, math
or what ever you want, as long as you chose this for an opus. If a
machine is intended not to be a tool, but also to fake impetus and
ardour, this is something completely different, but "process music".
On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 21:21:10 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
if this argument was totally solid, then there'd be no place for
"process music", which also has absolutely nothing to do with
expressing emotions. That means, for a start, no early Reichian
minimalism. I don't want to live in that world. Be my guest. On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 05:09:02 -0400, tom haddington
wrote:
For once I'm in total agreement with Ralf :o
One might observe that the machine wrote bad
music. Well, humans
are already doing that, too, so Magenta has gotten at least that
far! As with chess machines, it may be a matter of time.
The point isn't, if a machine is able to fake music, it doesn't
matter, if it's good or bad faked music. What the machine
generates is completely uninteresting to me, since a machine has
got no emotions I'm interested in. A machine has got no emotions
at all, so even if the machine would generate "good music", it
would be faked "good music", emotional fraud. Human impostors are
able to e.g. fake love. Victims often feel more loved by an
impostor, than by somebody who really loves them. Fraud could make
us feel good, we anyway dislike fraud. That just shows what kind
of company Google is. A human might be an untalented musician, but
at least a human usually has got real emotions. A machine that is
able to fake "good music" has got absolutely nothing to do with
progress. It's a damage. Developing something like this shows the
unimaginativeness of the developers. Nobody needs it, it's good
for absolutely nothing and even not a useful step to learn
something for useful AI projects or something like this.
Regards,
Ralf