Re: [LAU] Jack max ports question

You're busy describing the relationship people should have with technology. One key aspects of your description is a feeling that I share with you, more or less: computers are tools and people need to know how to use the tools that are a part of their lives. Nobody is expecting a "a more intelligent elite to take all decisions for them" (well, perhaps not nobody, but not anyone i've met). Their perspective, though, is quite different. That perspective is that the *task* at hand is the important thing, and that the tool(s) should not intrude on the task unless absolutely necessary. From this perspective, a tool that requires them to understand and remember information about the *tool* is a worse tool than one which has no such requirement. From this perspective, tools that can be endlessly tinkered with are for hobbyists and oddballs, because the tools are never the goal, only the task, and if the tools requiring tinkering with in order to accomplish the task, that means that the toolmaker hasn't finished their work. I don't like this view, and I don't think it is very productive or healthy for society. But it isn't a new view, it isn't limited to computers or software, and it is VERY entrenched in modern industrial societies. This response and the previous one simply betray your status as a highly technical, highly experienced tinkering nerd (all said in a positive, respectful way). The issues with the presentation of JACK configuration options have nothing to do with things being "complex" (ala "rocket science", which also isn't really that complex :) but to do with psychological aspects of human/computer interaction. After you've talked (on IRC) to a dozen or more people who failed to identify the need to choose a device, and tried to ask them why they didn't see this need ... it is already too late. They already can no longer identify or remember why the choice was inobvious to them. This comes up at least once a week on #ardour, and every time I'm around for it, I've tried to gently quiz the user in a way that avoids me telling them the issue, to see if I can get an understanding of what their mental model was that managed to avoid "need to choose device". So far, I've been unable to do so. The closest I can get is that some users may have a model in which all audio going in and out of a computer, regardless of the number of devices, is part of a single, monolithic system, and that they will be able to make their choice about inputs and outputs once their are inside an application where this is necessary. I still don't think this fully captures the mental model that exists before someone realizes "oh yeah, I need to choose the device". But in some ways, it is a solid model for a particular class of users. Why should they have to tell JACK ahead of time what device to use? Why doesn't it show ALL the inputs and outputs on their computer, and just let them choose which ones to use? This is not a silly view of the universe. As for the "GUI inviting them to change it", that GUI included a selector labelled "Interface", and other labelled "Capture Device" and another labelled "Playback Device". If you wanted to change the device that JACK used (having identified the requirement to do so), which of these things do you think you might choose, as a less sophisticated user?