13 Feb
2013
13 Feb
'13
3:54 p.m.
On Wed, 2013-02-13 at 09:37 -0500, drew Roberts wrote:
On Tuesday 12 February 2013 18:36:44 Al Thompson
wrote:
So, those Penguin folks are ripping off the consumer? I mean, you could
download the books from Project Gutenberg right? Should someone alert the
authorities that they are ripping off the consumers?
Here is a point you are ignoring. If you can't make money selling things that
are legal to copy and that can be obtained for free. How can you make money
selling things that are illegal to copy but are also available for free via
download however illegally? How do people sell knokcoff CDs and DVDs when
they are available as free downloads?
all the best,
drew
Full ACK with Drew's opinion :).
On 02/12/2013 11:46 AM, drew Roberts wrote:
Perhaps the composer IS making copies and selling them. That is his
right, since he owns the copyright. Or perhaps he ISN'T, because he has
decided for whatever personal reason that he doesn't want the work 'out
there.'
Explain who either of these situations would give YOU the right to make
copies of someone else's work and sell them.
Would it be OK with you if someone made those copies and gave them away
instead of selling them?
You are assuming the existance of copyright law *and* you are assumning that
it is morally and / or ethically right. You go to far. It is this that you
need to debate here.
I know I have no way to do this legally as things stand now. But from what I
see, as things stand now, it would not surprise me if a majority of the
people were commiting felonies with respect to copyright law.
Back in the early 80's, I was a proponent of copyright law in my country when
we basically didn't have one to speak of. At the time, I was more ignorant
and the general state of copyright laws were not as bad. Also, the state of
the world was such that they did not impact normal everyday activities or
regular folks as much. Things have gotten much worse.
If there were no copyright law, I would certainly have the right to make and
sell copies of published works. Just like these folks are making and selling
copies of books in the public domain:
http://www.us.penguingroup.com/static/pages/classics/hardcoverclassics/inde…
You cannot make a case of what is simply right and wrond by pointing to
existing copyright law. You can only make a case for what is legal and
illegal by doing that.
Unless you care to make the case that every law, everywhere and at all times
has been completely right.
1. If people got an automatic copyleft and not an automatic copyright.
2. If you had to register your work to get a copyright.
3. If copyright only lasted as long as current day patents.
4. If copyrgiht was only a civil issue adn not a criminal one.
5. If the creators could never part with more than 50% of their rights.
...
Do you see where I am heading?
It's
a necessary consequence of Kinsella's argument that some idiot with
a DVD burner can spend a few hours copying content he didn't create, and
he has exercised his inviolable property right while the people who made
that profit possible -- on the basis of years of training and practice
-- are screwed.
Please explain why they are so *ignorant* as to not make those copies
themselves and sell them? There is a world of material out there that it is
legal to copy and sell.
How many do it? Why don't you if it is so easy to make money that way?
It's hardly easy to make money by SELLING what is available for FREE.
Sure, it happens. There are a few places on the internet where you can
pay to download something (like an owner's manual) that is available FOR
FREE on the manufacturer's website. Since the manufacturer in this case
makes it available for free, they aren't really ripping off the
manufacturer, but I'd say they are ripping off the consumer.