30 Jul
2004
30 Jul
'04
7:47 p.m.
On Fri, 2004-07-30 at 16:13, Steve Harris wrote:
Hmmm. complex question, complex answer :)
DSSI isn't softsynth specific, you can have DSSI plugins that aren't
synths. A generic convolver would be a good example, it needs some way to
load datasets, but doesnt need to allocate voices or anything synthy.
The DSSI UI model is basicly just a defined mapping from LADSPA control
ports to OSC and some service discovery stuff, so it could be applied to
LADSPA just as well. It was a hidden agenda on my part.
But... it doesnt solve the modular synth problem, as nothing encourages
DSSI UI's to be modular synth friendly, and they are all seperate
processes with toplevel windows, so framing them together modular
softsynth style is going to be hard.
That's okay, I don't like UI-on-the-module modulars anyway, I just want
to be able to click on a module to get a GUI window, like ams (except
with custom GUIs of course)
Well, that's true. Anyway, it's a non-problem, because it sounds like
DSSI will suit my needs just fine. If implemented transparently, the
only difference between LADSPA plugins and DSSI plugins in my synth will
be the fact that LADSPA plugins have crappier generated UI's.
Since DSSI wraps LADSPA, that's quite nice, because if it's annoying
that a certain module's UI sucks, someone somewhere will DSSI wrap the
thing and fix the problem.
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One of the key things in the nord software is the
consistency and
compactness of the module UIs though - and thats going to be a lot of work
to get with arbitrary LADSPA plugins as the modules.
Well.. we need a way to have LADSPA plugin GUIs... DSSI is a LADSPA-like
plugin format with GUIs.... 2 and 2. I never understood why you chose
to make DSSI "soft synth" specific to be honest. Can DSSI not solve
this problem? Anyway. on
plugin GUIs are alright, but for complicated patches they
simply take up too much room. I admittedly work at a lower level than
your average nord user probably does though. I planned on going the
galan build-your-own-custom-control-panel route - I've never actually
found the "buncha sliders" LADSPA GUI approach to hinder productivity
anyway, sliders work for me. GUI's would be nice though..
Hmm... the "buncha sliders" thing is why you havent seen any LADSPA
plugins that dont work that way, there would be no point writing one, but
try controlling "hermes filter" with a hostbuilt UI sometime.