31 Jul
2025
31 Jul
'25
10:53 a.m.
Hey hey,
I'd like to add to Joel's response: JUCE as such is, of course, ported to
Linux, but the accessibility structure that was added for mac and windows has
not been added to the Linux version, since the accessibility code needs to be
tailored to each platform and the underlying GUI infrastructure.
Further, I know of a few plugins being particularly ported to work better with
mod-host and the mod devices. Though certainly, I would appreciate more
plugins joining these modifications either as part of the mod-devices
ecosystem or just by themselves. That said, I don't know how many "good"
reasons there are to limit the automatable input parameters to a 0 to 1 range.
-- Not to skew the view on reality: there are LV2 plugins whose input
parameter reflect the proper value ranges as well.
Best wishes,
Jeanette
Jul 31 2025, Joel Roth has written:
Brandon Hale wrote:
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I'm very sad that ecasound is slowly falling
behind. What does that mean for
Nama?
Hi Brandon,
Sometime Nama author here. Thanks for asking.
The last ecasound release was in 2020. I think ecasound can
tolerate a backlog of a few patches from distro maintainers.
And I'm confident that author Kai Vehmanen will consider
reviewing and merging them into his sources. Or if
necessary, someone will step up.
LV2 plugins with poor support for CLI are not an ecasound
problem. As Jeanette explained it to me, for some plugins,
the GUI might display a certain parameter as frequency in
Hz, however the same parameter accessed via liblilv might
simply indicate a range of 0 to 1.
I hope mod-host users and others wanting better information
about LV2 plugins outside a GUI framework will complain
loudly (and politely) to the plugin authors. Also, it sounds
like someone will have to port JUCE to linux for some
plugins to compile.
Regarding Nama, I think it's worth maintaining a
recorder/editor for terminal users that doesn't require the
overhead of a GUI with an accessibility framework.
Nama has convenience features in the pipeline that are
blocked by problems with the keymaps and terminal libraries.
The new features will reduce the keystrokes needed for
transport seeking, setting and bumping marks, trimming and
assembling audio segments, and adjusting plugin parameters.
Overcoming terminal-related issues and landing these
features will be the biggest help for Nama, IMO :-)
regards to all
Joel
On 7/25/25 07:59, Jeanette C. wrote:
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Hey hey,
I just heard that Ecasound, as robsut as its code is, is slowly moving
out, requiring more and more patches. So I should really look for a new
solution.
Why CLI? I had a GUI running on my system, with JACK, and found that
Orca was very sluggish, not condusive to fast efficient work. Besides,
there are quite a few LV2 plugins which are built on JUCE and JUCE Uis
are not accessible on Linux. Last thing I heard, they added
accessibility but only to mac and windows.
So back to the commandline. LV2 plugins can be controlled there,
mod-host a case in point. Though, admittedly, I found quite a few
plugins with quite meaningless parameter ranges. Still, they can be
used.
Does anyone have any ideas? Perhaps something that is in its early
stages or a UI that was created for testing or automation and might
offer more beyond that purpose? -- Any suggestions or hints are welcome.
For the time being, Ecasound will run, but its life-cycle looks
definitely finite in the foreseeable future.
Best wishes,
Jeanette
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