1 Feb
2006
1 Feb
'06
5:31 p.m.
On 2/1/06, robin <robin(a)rektau.ukfsn.org> wrote:
Well, last I heard from Free (a couple days ago), he was pretty much
the only one working on DeMuDi, and he had been working on uploading
his DeMuDi packages back into Debian and coordinating with the other
package maintainers. If the project really was alive and well, and the
future really was certain, I don't understand the moves. It doesn't
make sense to me that it is just coincidental timing. Do I think
DeMuDi is going away? Perhaps not, but without financial support, he
can't continue going full force on DeMuDi, and it will fall even
further behind, I believe. Canonical offered some limited sponsorship
and resources, but I don't think any decisions were made about that.
Anyhow, as stated, I ran Debian Sid, not Testing, not Stable. I could
sacrifice features and advancements and use DeMuDi if I wanted to, but
I choose not to, and so, I am working on making Ubuntu better for me.
It's fine if you want to use DeMuDi, and it should be fine if I want
to use Ubuntu.
Not yet, but it might in the future. That is why I am in conversation
with some people from Canonical to see that it happens at some point.
And in the meantime, rather than Ubuntu users trying to use DeMuDi
packages, they can go to UbuntuStudio.com and read the wiki,
contribute, etc. Really, from what I've seen, there isn't a whole lot
of difference in DeMuDi, aside from the patched kernel and perhaps
some updated packages for music software.
I am not a DeMuDi user, I only installed it once a few months or so
ago to see what the fuss was about and how it compared to Ubuntu. And
to me, it felt like a regression on the desktop, which was something I
tried to get away from when I switched from Debian in the first place.
http://demudi.agnula.org/packages/PACKAGES.LIST doesn't list any part
of DSSI in it that I recognize. Maybe there's a different package
list? Yes, I am aware of Willem's repository, and there's nothing
stopping me or any other Ubuntu user from making a similar 3rd-party
repository for Ubuntu... But my goal is to see the use of 3rd-party
repositories minimized, if not eliminated, for Ubuntu in the future.
Precisely. DeMuDi works well for people who like it, but Ubuntu
currently does not. So my efforts are going towards Ubuntu for the
time being.
Dana
Dana Olson wrote:
Okay, let me rephrase. Debian is too far behind the times. I use
Gnome, and it doesn't get much closer than Ubuntu, as they release at
the same time as Gnome. That was another big reason I chose Ubuntu in
the first place. And as I mentioned, it just doesn't feel polished.
There can be no denying that Debian takes forever to get updates for a
lot of things. Just look at how long they delay Gnome and remember
X.org? Yes, they have their reasons, I know that. But I don't run an
alpha, sparc, arm, whatever. This is just a preference. Maybe I'm
impatient. Oh well, whatever.
On 2/1/06, Ruben Lopez
<rl1205(a)sillylovesongs.com> wrote:
In what sense? There has always been a testing distribution, which uses
latest package versions (from testing) at the time of release, as well
as the stable one. On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:27:38 -0500, Dana Olson
was like:
DeMuDi is too far behind the times, for one. On 2/1/06, robin
<robin(a)rektau.ukfsn.org>wrote;wrote:
I actually use Ubuntu, I'm just trying to get it as close to DeMuDi
as possible.
Just curious... why wouldn't you just use Demudi instead of
Ubuntu (or do you just prefer Ubuntu)? I moved to Ubuntu because
And if that is the case, then so be it. I don't feel that way about
them, but who knows. If they do turn their back, I'll suffer with
Debian again until something better comes along, based on Debian.
I was bored of maintaining Debian Sid on my
desktop.
For some time Demudi has been linked against Debian testing (etch)
I like the fact
that they have a really good desktop Linux out
there, they give out
free pressed CDs, and they have predictable release cycles. Plus I
like Gnome.
There is always a doubt with Ubuntu, not belittling their good
intentions and practices to date, that their priorities may change at
some future date. Demudi has never been a "desktop pc"
distribution, but a specialised
audio project with additional packages provided by the main Debian
project as the user requires.
Right, hence why I want Ubuntu to become a better distro. There is no
reason it cannot do both, just like Edubuntu, Kubuntu, and so on.
Also, DeMuDi
is in a bit of trouble with that sponsor pulling out, so
it doesn't seem very stable. And Free is trying to get everything into
Debian anyhow, which means it will all filter into Ubuntu down the
line.
True that Firenze have withdrawn financial support which means Demudi is
now a purely voluntary project but in the short period since then new
contributers have come on board. Demudi is alive and well. Also Demudi
has been part of Debian for some time as a custom Debian distribution. Although I
didn't have any issue installing DeMuDi, there are some
people who use Ubuntu who couldn't get it installed. Ubuntu configures
everything for them, so they're happy and can get into Linux easily. I
want to support that, and my goals in making ubuntustudio.com are not
to undermine any of the other audio distros, but instead to provide
help for Ubuntu users.
In short, I do just prefer Ubuntu, but Debian and DeMuDi do not feel
as cohesive and polished as Ubuntu does.
Granted that some may miss the bells and whistles but functionality has
been the main priority so far. Ubuntu, correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't
function as an audio workstation ootb (in the sense of integration and
performance patching), judging from the few emails received from Ubuntu
users wanting to use Demudi packages. Besides that,
when I tried DeMuDi, a lot of apps didn't even launch
from the menus, and the mixer for my soundcard seemed a little screwy.
By focusing on Ubuntu, I can learn a lot more about how things work,
while helping out other Ubuntu users at the same time. It almost makes
me feel like I'm contributing to the community in some small way.
User reports are an essential part of F/LOSS projects and Demudi
provides a ticketing system for user reports and of course the friendly
user mail list. I have been
discussing with Mark and some people from Canonical/Ubuntu
about getting Ubuntu to the point where all the manual stuff is
minimized, with a -rt kernel as an installable option, and decent
music apps added in. Dapper has almost everything missing from Breezy,
aside from apps that are not in Debian, and weren't even officially
part of DeMuDi (om, mx44, dssi, to name a few).
Parts of DSSI are included with Demudi plus some more apps are available
at http://willem.engen.nl/debian/ which are Demudi compatible. I think there
is room for another option for musicians, don't you?
The more the merrier. One particular multimedia/audio distribution is
not going to suit everyone. That's down to individual tastes.