27 Nov
2004
27 Nov
'04
1:01 p.m.
--- David Stephens <linuxrootuser(a)gmail.com> wrote:
For anyone keeping score...
1 RME PCI Card
1 RME Multiface
1 RME HDSP9625
1 RME Digi9652
1 M-Audio 2496 i think that's what it is
2 M-Audio 1010lt i think that's what they are
1 midiman USB 8x8 i guess that counts
ron
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 01:51:16 +0100, Marek Peteraj
<marpet(a)naex.sk> wrote:
Sure but the result is the _same_ with respect to what they
to
developing new hardware ideas.
Perhaps all except
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On Fri, 2004-11-26 at 23:17, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:34:17 +0100, Marek
Peteraj <marpet(a)naex.sk>
wrote:
> <SNIP>
> > 2. I can only understand the point of view of
open source developers
> > here, since they also invested an
awfull lot
of time (and money that
> > they didn't get back!) into
developing linux
audio applications, many of
> > which are state-of-art at least with
respect
to technology. And they're
free as in beer/speech.
That was their choice. Right? deliver(state of art technology), which has the
same value for me. Not
the same with respect to what you get in the
end.(a non-functioning
device you paid a lot for, just because this and
that)
>
> > That said i really don't understand the point
of view of those few
how
> > actually kindof defend the position of
RME (or
any other manufacturer in
> > a similar position), no offense
intended.
>
> RME's position, and I am only guessing here, is
that they would be
> happy to release info to the Open Source
community __IF__ that
> information didn't help their
competitors
develop hardware that
competed
with RME.
How? To achieve 1ms less latency?
> It is natural for people who have spent money > want to protect it's value. We are that
way with
our own purchases,
> correct? I (and I think you...) would not be
happy if I bought
something
and then it stopped working,
Worse. It actually never worked in my case.
or if the company you bought it
from stopped supporting it.
Worse. They never did in my case.
> RME is the same way. They invest hundreds
> of thousands, if not millions of Euro's
Hence the analogy with oss developers. They do
that too without being
cowards and misers.
> They create software to support it and make it
work. Then all the
> technical information goes into the public
domain and some low cost
> manufacturer from Taiwan or Russia or
somewhere
else knocks off a copy
> and sells it for 1/2 the price. No one buys
RME
hardware, RME doesn't
make
money and goes out of business.
Did this happen?
See how many RME cards are supported. Almost all. fireface. Did someone from russia or taiwan
knock-off a copy? Does RME
suffer from us having alsa drivers? Are russian
engineers or taiwanese
engineers(envy24 btw AFAIK) not smart enough to
come up with their own
superb design? Is it too hard for smart people to
reverse-engineer?
In other words - what are you talking about?
used proprietary
What's so hard to understand?
Pretty much everything. Considering that they have protocols in their hammerfall series anyway.
> > Which seems like it's the beginning of end for
linux pro-audio hw
> > support if we don't fight for it.
Right now it
concerns just me, but it
> > might concern everyone in the near
future.
>
> This I agree with, but the best way to fight for
it (speaking as a
> business man) is to develop a real market
for
it. We need thousands of
> buyers. Develop the market and hardware
manufacturers will come.
Perhaps it's here already. I think there's more of
us RME or M-Audio
customers than one might think.
Marek
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and it's time to
step into the darkness of the unknown, faith is
knowing that one of
two things shall happen: either you will be given
something solid to
stand on, or you will be taught how to fly." --Dr.
Edward Teller