12 Dec
2007
12 Dec
'07
1:03 p.m.
On Wednesday 12 December 2007 04:49:08 Pieter Palmers wrote:
Chris Cannam wrote:
Thank you Pieter
I am certainly one who appreciates the contributions of the multitudes of
individuals who have devoted so much to the open source scene. These
contributions are fueling a whole new society, a quiet social revolution. It
is enabling schools and individuals that never could afford the digital
scenario to place before all of their students a shelf of creative regions
never before even imagined. What is available on that creative shelf today?
The developmental tools, Imaging { 2D, 3D, animation, movies }, Audio from
cell phones to ambisonics, Sciences, Engineering, Mathematics, Mapping {
earth, universe, body } and etc. etc. You and people like yourself are making
it possible. People who stumble into this scene are quite unprepared as to
what exactly is it that they think they see. Too frequently the only thing
that they have to compare to is the digital terrain they grew up in. If they
are getting their feet wet in Linux they are first immersed in the Unix
learning curve, though most of the current releases soften that. Being a self
taught Informatics { http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informatics } person I
remain awed at the whole Linux Open Source phenomena. As for the wanna winers
noise, it is probably an indicator that the introductory orientation
documentation scheme needs to be streamlined. I was hoping that a release
like UbuntuStudio would see the need and implement such a feature.
Thank You
Tom
On Wednesday 12 December 2007 05:50, Robert
Persson wrote:
IMHO this remark gets to the heart of the problem. As a human being we
have limited resources. I personally have to settle with one head, 2
fingers and 24hrs in a day. The fact that humans also have to eat, and
that food is seldom available 'for free' makes that some part of our
resources are allocated to surviving. Oh, and having 'a life' also
consumes an astonishing amount of these resources.
There is no way around the fact that one has to eat, and that that
doesn't go well with writing free software in the 'free beer'
interpretation. Which seems to be the main reason why people turn to
Linux. I've done a quick check on the cheapest offer from Cakewalk
(Project 5) that might have all functionality that came up in this
thread, and it is 100euro here. If all Rosegarden users were to pay
Chris 100euro, I think Rosegarden would have more features than 'Project
5', or maybe even Sonar.
The catch 22 seems to be that we currently attract a lot of 'free beer'
attention. But in order to get really professional software, you need
time, and time = money. So in order for the programs to become more
professional, we need people that are willing to pay for them. Which we
don't seem to have.
You could think of it this way: suppose you have a Linux tool that has
20% of the functionality of an the equivalent Win/Mac tool, you could
argue that it's worth 20% of the money. Now add all tools you use on
Linux and try to estimate this '20%' value of your software collection.
IMHO that's what you would have to be prepared to pay. Of course I know
that this is a rude extrapolation, and that 20% of the functionality
usually doesn't get you anywhere. But to be honest, I think most of the
tools are more near 80% of the 'competing software's functionality.
To give you another idea, from my personal pet project (FFADO):
we are registered on the ohloh site
(http://www.ohloh.net/projects/8040?p=FFADO), and one of the things they
do is scan your code repository and use some industry standard way of
value-ing the code (COCOMO). In the FFADO case they end up with a value
Here is a good explanation of how groove quantise
works in protools:
http://www.audiomidi.com/classroom/protools_corner/ptcorner_63.cfm
For some really fancy midi stuff going way further than groove quantise,
you could take a look at some of Ntonyx's products, such as
StyleEnhancer and StyleMorpher. If Rosegarden could implement some of
those features that would be very useful for composers.
Groove quantization is one of the oldest outstanding feature requests in
the Rosegarden tracker, submitted by me in 2002:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=633259&gro…
4932&atid=354932
Unfortunately, as for so many features, this has simply never percolated
to the top of my priority queue, or stack, or whatever my brain uses, and
nobody else has ever shown much interest in coding it. And sadly I only
have eight hands and three heads and there are only 132 hours in the day. $1.000.000. In other words, if you were to have a
commercial company
develop the code, it would cost you 1M$. But hey, pick me, I'll do it
'for free'... Rosegarden is also present on ohloh, and is valued more
than $2M.
I admit that these numbers are large extrapolations and have limited
applicability, but they do provide some reference.
The only project that seems to be able to break this circle is Ardour.
I'd say that that is due to the fact that Paul didn't have to worry
about his survival for the time it took to bring Ardour to a critical
level. I.e. a level that was high enough for people to start paying for
Ardour as soon as Paul's self-funding approached it's limits.
For myself I can say that I'm spending an incredible amount of time and
energy into coding open source, and that there is not that much in
return. Well, there is the respect from fellow coders, gratitude from
users, even free hardware (lucky me). But that doesn't pay the bills. So
I have to go out and spend time at 'something that someone actually pays
for'. And hence it takes 3 years to reach the functionality that comes
'out of the box' on another OS. If I would be sure I can earn a decent
living with writing 'free' software, I would seriously consider it. But
alas...
Note that this is not really a reaction to the original blog giving an
overview of the current Linux audio status, but more an attempt at
expressing my view on why this is as it is, and why it's IMHO not very
likely to change soon. It's like the Ableton guy said at LAC07: "I'm
pretty happy with the we-sell-shrinkwrapped-boxed-software model, and I
don't see a reason to change that.". Read: "why would we give it away if
people seem to be willing to pay for it?".
2 cents for discussion,
Pieter Palmers