15 Aug
2004
15 Aug
'04
3:48 a.m.
On Saturday 14 August 2004 11:08 am, Dave Phillips wrote:
John Check wrote:
Okay, I was wondering why it was zip files. I guess it's not _that_ popular ;)
On Friday 13 August 2004 01:54 pm, Pete Bessman
wrote:
No, the Demos category links to examples of a popular art form that
combines graphics, animations, and music into what is called a "demo".
You want the Linux Music On-line category in the soundapps pages.
Speaking for myself, the first thing I look for
when checking out
music apps is music created with said apps. What does it sound like?
The linux-sound.org music page has only 24 entries, and I'm NOT
FLINGING MUD HERE (my own stuff sucks), but we're certainly not giving
any indication of the utility of our software with them. This is
because we have two many hackers and not enough UNIT-Es.
Oh, is _that_ what the "demos" link is? Thats what I thought at first,
but it didn't seem like it when I started poking around. I agree wholly with whoever mentioned that what we
need is a "win" with
a major recording success. However, I also believe we'll get there. I've
heard enough nay-saying and bullsh*t over the last ten years to know
that the words "it'll never happen" are anathema to the Linux
Oh, you can believe it if I have anything to say about it. 7 years ago I
bailed on my audio career for personal reasons and took up linux. At the
time, I didn't care too much that there was no decent sequencer or wav
editor. It just didn't matter. For reasons beyond my control my focus has
changed back from whence it came and I'm fairly impressed with the current
state of affairs. I'll spare you the biography but I've learned a lot over my
various lifetimes and it's all clicking like a room full of flamenco dancers.
development community. Give 'em the challenge and
they make it happen.
Now for the hard part: preparing the way for normal users to start
working with this stuff until the user community reaches critical mass.
For the record, tracking and mix engineers are "normal users". Studios do have
techs, put they're busy too, so getting things up and running has to be
figured in the cost of things and it can't be open ended like mailing lists
for things that should be trivial. Support for commercial products is in the
budget.. I have to formalize things, but I think you can see where I'm going.
"Bootstrap" is the watchword.
And in case anyone thinks it just can't happen
with Linux audio
software, you should have been on the computer music scene in 1986 when
the Mac ruled the studios. Even the Atari and Amiga had more presence in
studios than the lowly Intel-based boxes. Plenty of statements were made
in the line of "Oh, the PC will never make it in pro studios, it's great
for spreadsheets and word processors, but not for serious music making".
Sound familiar ? My, how things do change...
Here's what we need:
A) Be as good or better dollar for dollar (note: $ means $ not "free")
B) Listen to what pro audio wants (remote GUI is an example)
C) Work with the existing acquistion framework.
So I'm confident it will happen, but I'm not
so foolish to make any sort
of prediction. Obviously the issue of excellent user-level docos is
I am. I won't give you a specific day and there is a lot of what they call due
diligence yet to be done but I've been at it for a few months now and haven't
been shot down yet.
glaring at us, hence my original post of this thread.
The issue also
obviously concerns many of us, and I hope these posts have inspired some
of you to make your own contributions.
Best regards,
dp