18 Jun
2018
18 Jun
'18
7:27 p.m.
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com>
wrote:
this is more audiophile-level woo.
virtually nobody alive can tell the difference between a good digital
recording and an analog one. those who think they can will rarely (if ever)
agree to double blind testing.
there can certainly be things about analog equipment that are hard or
impossible to capture with a digital equivalent.
but to claim that the recording process is the source of audible
differences? even if this might have been true of the earliest days of
commercial digital recording, it isn't true anymore.
I guess I didn't clearly indicate that I am not talking about recording at
all.
Put a Nord stage in the same room as a Steinway - as I have seen first hand
- and the difference is huge. I seen Keith Emersons Moog Modular live and
felt it in the balcony.
Record the same Nord and Steinway and the difference is largely lost. If
you record that modular and compare it the Moog plugin you won't really
know what the big deal about the Modular is. A live performance of a good
horn section like Chicago is largely lost in the recordings.
Analog synths cannot be sampled for all possibilities, which is why CV
controlled analog synth and effect modulation separate its digital
counterparts in sound sculpting.
Something like analog compressors shine even after converters, which is why
an LA2A is still used on a lot of pop vocals. And while +12DB sounds great
on an API eq, its brittle in the digital realm ymmv.
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 9:50 AM, robertlazarski
<robertlazarski(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Felix Homann <linuxaudio(a)showlabor.de>
wrote:
No matter how close the Behringer Model D
actually gets to the Minimoog
- and it seems to get very close - it is a great mono synth. Even more so
for the price. I've been having quite some fun with it for some months now
:-)
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> schrieb am Mo., 18. Juni 2018
um 07:07 Uhr:
I have the reissue D from Moog, and in general lots of Moog products and
zero from Behringer so from that perspective ...
I find the idea of comparing a digitally recorded analog synth to another
digitally recorded analog synth to be a flawed way of looking at things. I
couldn't tell a digital piano recording, from a real Steinway recording
neither though piano is my main instrument.
However imho, the magic of analog synths, compressors, eq, effects, and
real piano comes alive before hitting the converters. After the converters
so much is lost.
IOW a double blind test of two of these synths in the same room before
the converters, is the only way I would try to compare these things. Like
in a music shop back in the day.
I may be snowflake, but after many years of collecting gear and moving it
across continents a few times as a former expat I find build quality to be
of utmost importance. I bought a $600 road case for the D, and since the
originals from the 70's still are in high demand I expect the same from the
Moog reissue. The new Behringer longevity is TBD. Life is too short for me
to go down the Behringer path ymmv.
That being said, I have no doubt the Behringer D is a huge step up from
the plugins - best I can tell that is good enough reason to buy things for
most people.
Robert
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