10 Mar
2010
10 Mar
'10
11:11 a.m.
On Tuesday 09 March 2010 14:56:34 Ken Restivo wrote:
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 07:04:26PM +0100, Burkhard
W??lfel wrote:
oggs and lossless wavpack files. there were some scripts to bring them back to
wavs in an ardour project too iirc.
Am 06.03.2010 um 07:19 schrieb Ken Restivo
<ken(a)restivo.org>rg>:
My setup is not designed for remote collaboration.
However, the Packet-In project (http://packet-in.org) found a reasonably
workable process for doing remote collaboration. It's been a few years, but
IIRC it involved FTP'ing ogg files around. On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 10:16:51AM -0600, Josh
Lawrence wrote:
How would you share a complicated production setup, aka session, with
other users? Script, or text explanation? Screenshot? Ardour audio
project only?
I'd love to have a rather bullet proof way to make my sessions available
to non-geek collaborators really fast and easy. And vice versa.
Software trying to outsmart the user can be painful. On the other hand,
there are users out there waiting to hop on the linux audio boat as soon
as there is an obvious way to save and restore complex setups without
scripting. I'd love to make music with them.
It's good that you are happy with your way of using your DAW and so am
I. But it makes me a little sad sometimes that for remote collaborators
the learning curve is so steep. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Gerald Mwangi
<gerald.mwangi(a)gmx.de>
wrote:
> Hi, does anyone know a synth powerfull like zynadd, phasex or
> bristol,but in dssi format? I need something I can load into
> Rosegarden,
> since I dont want 10 Standalones running, until ardour, rg and the
> synths support LASH, if that ever happens.
I have no idea why, but I have a warm, fuzzy soft place in my heart
for DSSI plugins. they always seem to just work. whysynth has
already been mentioned, but be sure to check out the calf monosynth,
which can be run as a DSSI plugin:
jack-dssi-host calf.so:Monosynth
check out the DSSI home page too, for a lot of other options.
I'm hoping this thread will reveal some that I don't know about! we
really need something like specimen in DSSI format.
> I think LASH should be integrated into Jack, to make it mandatory
> for
> linux audio apps. The missing LASH support is one of the main issues
> disturbing me, when working with linux audio. Now I've said it, ha.
> I'm thinking of having Jack require a Load/Save callback, prior to
> activating the client. How feasible is that?
why oh why oh why did you throw this paragraph in? now no one wants
to talk about DSSI anymore... :(
+1 for Calf Monosynth and WhySynth. They, in addition to AMS and
PHASEX, are the synths I've used most.
Zyn is kind of old and doesn't do RT; the new thing is Yoshimi, and I
dunno if it supports LASH or ladish, but I'd guess both.
For the record, I *HATE* session management and I don't run LASH at
all when I can avoid it (IIRC, there's some synth that I use or used
which requires LASH, so I occasionally have to start it up).
I generally can't stand technologies that try to be "smart" and do
things I don't explicitly instruct them to do. Frustrates the hell out
of me.
FWIW, I am also the kind of guy who turns off autocomplete and
spelling checkers whenever I can.
Also, there are collaboration websites that offer a lot of that
infrastructure in a convenient and slick interface-- doesn't matter what
DAW or synths or tools each participant uses. You could be collaborating
with people using Logic or ProTools or Ableton or just a random collection
of command-line synths like I use-- and it all works smoothly. I don't
remember the name of the site, but Drew pointed me to one last year, and I
found it a really a cool collaboration tool, kind of like GitHub for music.
Probably kompoz.com
So, for remote collab, I think the most portable and flexible solution
would be to move a lot of the collaboration functionality out of the DAW or
synths, and out into the Web 2.0 cloud instead. Then it becomes
DAW-agnostic.
doing things this way takes certain things out of play though doesn't it?
One of the things I need to get to real soon now is putting songs from such
collabs into traverso project form. I have been meaning for a long time now
to try an experiment of distributing songs as multitrack projects ready to
load and go.
I am choosing traverso for the first pass as it runs on linux, mac, and
windows. One problem even with this is that the effects only exist for linux
at the moment. And now, after the ramble, I get to the point.
One of the reasons for doing this is for instruction and learning. A person
could get a project complete with effects, panning and the whole nine yards.
Different people could even supply different takes on the mix, effects, etc.
So far, I haven't seen how to do something like this in the cloud. Perhaps one
day.
And yes, the average non-techie user wants a monolithic app that just
saves/restores and gives them an all-in-one user experience. I prefer
working in a more unix-y way: small daemons and tools glued together with
scripts. But that's just my personal workflow.
-ken
drew