Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulseaudio than others (ICE1712/M-audio delta problem w/ pulseaudio)
13 May
2010
13 May
'10
12:11 p.m.
Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:53 PM, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
JACK and PA are not aimed at the same problem, and as such are not
either-or in the same way alsa/OSS are. IMO JACK cannot be used as a
general desktop-audio solution, per-app volume, BT headsets, moving
audio streams between sound-cards, all cannot be done with JACK as-is
right now.
JACK "as-is" could be given those abilities, I'm sure. But PA wants to
spend their resources on their project.
Hartmut Noack wrote:
The proper way to deal with that is to be card-specific, which is best
done in the drivers.
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Am 12.05.2010 00:47, schrieb Fons Adriaensen:
So would it not be the most easy and non-obtrusive solution for
everybody involved, if PA just treats every card, that does not follow
"desktop-standards" as a simple stereo-device?
Desktop-audio/legacy-stuff would go to the first 2 ports of such a card
via PA (using its JACK-sink if JACK is running and switching to it as
JACK ist started) and everything else would be handeled by JACK on the
users behest.
Thus PA would not be seen as a trouble-maker, but as a solution most
welcome.
It would still be a trouble-maker. There's no guarantee that the
first 2
ports of any such multi-port card are being routed to what PA would
(presumably) be assuming are the appropriate stereo channels out. And the
PA-people would not need to add handling of drivers for
un-desktopish hardware to their to-do lists.
Everybody could be happy :-)
> The obvious solution for them is to use
> the PA<->Jack bridge which is reported to work well.
IMHO, the obvious
solution would be for them to simply stop wasting their
time on PA and make an existing and better solution (JACK) better. ;-)
Again, PA is not aimed at pro-audio, JACK is.
Conversely, JACK is not
aimed at desktop audio, and none of us would like it to be taken in
that direction I think.
I've heard things from the PA camp saying that with PA, you don't need
JACK ...
Anyway, no PA here. Don't need it to play MP3s. Don't need to hear
stupid, pointless audio notifications from desktop software, either - on
ANY OS I use.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
13 May
13 May
3:57 p.m.
New subject: perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulseaudio than others (ICE1712/M-audio delta problem w/ pulseaudio)
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 00:10 -1000, david wrote:
Yes, FUD is common anywhere on the Internet. Opinions are just that.
Your opinion is that desktop notifications are pointless, most new Linux
users wonder why Gaim (Empathy now, I guess) doesn't inform them when
their friends send an IM. I don't think its too hard to ask you to look
beyond your usage scenario to see the usefulness of PA.
Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
JACK is not targetted at the same things. I highly doubt software amping
in the JACK server, connectivity with high-latency BT headsets, and
multi-card setups (with corresponding timing drifts) is at all on the
roadmap for JACK. That's not what its for.
You don't like PA, and that's fine. But implying that the PA devs
intentionally ignored JACK in order to develop a competitor is plain-out
untrue.
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:53 PM, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
JACK "as-is" could be given those abilities, I'm sure. But PA wants to
spend their resources on their project. IMHO, the obvious solution would be for them to
simply stop wasting their
time on PA and make an existing and better solution (JACK) better. ;-)
JACK and PA are not aimed at the same problem, and as such are not
either-or in the same way alsa/OSS are. IMO JACK cannot be used as a
general desktop-audio solution, per-app volume, BT headsets, moving
audio streams between sound-cards, all cannot be done with JACK as-is
right now. Again, PA is
not aimed at pro-audio, JACK is. Conversely, JACK is not
aimed at desktop audio, and none of us would like it to be taken in
that direction I think.
I've heard things from the PA camp saying that with PA, you don't need
JACK ...
Anyway, no PA here. Don't need it to play MP3s. Don't need to hear
stupid, pointless audio notifications from desktop software, either - on
ANY OS I use.
10:39 p.m.
New subject: perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulseaudio than others (ICE1712/M-audio delta problem w/ pulseaudio)
Are these sensible comments and opinions??
http://linuxlive.ponderworthy.org/2009/11/02/causes-of-alsa-confusion/
http://linuxlive.ponderworthy.org/2009/10/29/coexisting-alsa-and-jack-with-…
Niels
http://nielsmayer.com
14 May
14 May
8:50 a.m.
New subject: perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulseaudio than others (ICE1712/M-audio delta problem w/ pulseaudio)
Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 00:10 -1000, david wrote:
Yes, FUD is common anywhere on the Internet. Opinions are just that.
Opinions are not FUD. What I say about PA isn't FUD, either. My opinion
is that it is utterly useless for any audio purpose. It's certainly not
needed to simply play an MP3 or hear a silly beep (if that's your
preference).
Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
JACK is not targetted at the same things. I highly doubt software amping
in the JACK server, connectivity with high-latency BT headsets, and
multi-card setups (with corresponding timing drifts) is at all on the
roadmap for JACK. That's not what its for.
You don't like PA, and that's fine. But implying that the PA devs
intentionally ignored JACK in order to develop a competitor is plain-out
untrue.
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:53 PM, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
JACK "as-is" could be given those abilities, I'm sure.
But PA wants to
spend their resources on their project. IMHO, the obvious solution would be for them to
simply stop wasting their
time on PA and make an existing and better solution (JACK) better. ;-)
JACK and PA are not aimed at the same problem, and as such are not
either-or in the same way alsa/OSS are. IMO JACK cannot be used as a
general desktop-audio solution, per-app volume, BT headsets, moving
audio streams between sound-cards, all cannot be done with JACK as-is
right now. Again, PA
is not aimed at pro-audio, JACK is. Conversely, JACK is not
aimed at desktop audio, and none of us would like it to be taken in
that direction I think.
I've heard things from the PA camp saying that with
PA, you don't need
JACK ...
Anyway, no PA here. Don't need it to play MP3s. Don't need to hear
stupid, pointless audio notifications from desktop software, either - on
ANY OS I use.
Your opinion is that desktop notifications are
pointless, most new Linux
users wonder why Gaim (Empathy now, I guess) doesn't inform them when
their friends send an IM. I don't think its too hard to ask you to look
beyond your usage scenario to see the usefulness of PA.
Most Linux and Windows users I know (I work with MANY Windows users at a
corporation of 1600 employees) have desktop sound notifications turned
off. They don't want them intruding on their MP3 listening!
--
David
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