14 Jul
2005
14 Jul
'05
1:45 p.m.
From: Florin Andrei <florin(a)andrei.myip.org>
Well, you're basically saying that the Linux audio is not
professional enough yet. This information is great. Now
you should tell the ZynAddSubFX author (Paul?) what his
software is missing.
If musicians avoid using Linux software synths and other similar
software, we simply don't face the problem. It does not help
if only non-musicians try to use these software. We need
a demo made by professional musicians, not by non-musicians.
Juhana
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If you have a commercial hardware synth, try
replace it with Zynaddsubfx.
You gotta be kidding.
Are you suggesting to replace a Kurzweil K2661, or an Alesis Andromeda,
or a Hartmann Neuron with ZynAddSubFX? 
14 Jul
14 Jul
2:03 p.m.
Juhana Sadeharju wrote:
Features aside, I think that Kurzweil K2661, Alesis Andromeda, and
Hartmann Neuron are all much less restrictivley liscensed than ZynAddSubFX.
From: Florin
Andrei <florin(a)andrei.myip.org>
Well, you're basically saying that the Linux audio is not
professional enough yet. This information is great. Now
you should tell the ZynAddSubFX author (Paul?) what his
software is missing.
If musicians avoid using Linux software synths and other similar
software, we simply don't face the problem. It does not help
if only non-musicians try to use these software. We need
a demo made by professional musicians, not by non-musicians.
Juhana
If you have a commercial hardware synth, try
replace it with Zynaddsubfx.
You gotta be kidding.
Are you suggesting to replace a Kurzweil K2661, or an Alesis Andromeda,
or a Hartmann Neuron with ZynAddSubFX?
2:44 p.m.
Hi,
On 7/14/05, Garett Shulman <shulmang(a)colorado.edu> wrote:
Features aside, I think that Kurzweil K2661, Alesis
Andromeda, and
Hartmann Neuron are all much less restrictivley liscensed than ZynAddSubFX.
The religious statement isn't part of the licensing text, it is just a
wish. While Kurzweil & co. more or less enforce you to show their logo
on stage (on the back of their kits)...
Arnold
--
Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich
verhindern könnte, würde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und
einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen.
6:53 p.m.
Last Thursday 14 July 2005 17:44, Arnold Krille was like:
On 7/14/05, Garett Shulman
<shulmang(a)colorado.edu> wrote:
Unless you deface it of course. Here&Now's keyboard player had a Teisco with
the 'i' blacked out in the 80's. Very tasteful.
Plus, if your intention really is to cause sonic distress then ZynAddSubFX
just isn't the right tool for the job. ;)
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
Features aside, I think that Kurzweil K2661,
Alesis Andromeda, and
Hartmann Neuron are all much less restrictivley liscensed than
ZynAddSubFX.
The religious statement isn't part of the licensing text, it is just a
wish. While Kurzweil & co. more or less enforce you to show their logo
on stage (on the back of their kits)... 
2:33 p.m.
On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 18:45 +0300, Juhana Sadeharju wrote:
Well, you're basically saying that the Linux audio
is not
professional enough yet. This information is great. Now
you should tell the ZynAddSubFX author (Paul?) what his
software is missing.
Does it matter which colour you paint your walls? Or do you pick the
paint which is available?
I care what my apartment looks like. I take care in choosing the correct
floor material, the colour on the walls. That is not saying that the
paint or floors I didn't choose is bad in any way. It's just not the
paint for this apartment.
You cannot cram all possible synths into one. For synths, the UI is
instrumental in what sounds come out. With clever design, it is very
easy to manipulate an analog synthesizer (Zyn). On the other hand, that
UI will not be usable as an organ synth (=Aeolus).
These are instruments. You can't make a Telecaster sound like a Les
Paul. We shouldn't try to make Zyn something which it isn't.
And no: no software synth in the world, on any platform, can sound
exactly like a rhodes, a moog, a theremin. If one prefers the sound of
his/her 80's rompler, you'd better use that synth.
If musicians avoid using Linux software synths and
other similar
software, we simply don't face the problem. It does not help
if only non-musicians try to use these software. We need
a demo made by professional musicians, not by non-musicians.
Nobody is avoiding using Linux software synths. Like I said, there is
some advertisement value in doing 100% linux production, but it isn't
really that important.
The musicians we would be trying to impress with our 100% linux
productions use hw synths too. They would never switch their beloved
vintage gear for software synths, regardless of how good the sw synths
are. They would be impressed by a good work flow, the quality of
applications (synths, sequencers, daw's, audio editors), availability of
hardware, efficiency.
--
Sampo Savolainen <v2(a)iki.fi>
6:14 p.m.
On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 18:45 +0300, Juhana Sadeharju wrote:
Why I _should_ do that?
First off, Paul is better than me at improving his own creation.
Second, I hope you're not suggesting that any single synth is the
one-size-fits-all answer to all musicians' needs. There is such a thing
as a synth's personality, which is important for those who actually make
music. Plus, a synth that tries to do everything becomes rapidly very
hard to use.
Third, there's this religious war between software and hardware synths.
My personal view is that hardware synths are much easier to use, but I
wouldn't rule out using a softsynth with a dedicated hardware interface
(pretty much like a hardsynth but moving the synth engine into the
computer). Zyn is a softsynth and therefore shares some shortcomings
with all other softsynths. I don't see any dedicated hardware interface
being designed for it any time soon, what with market share, and what
with it being open source and all that.
Fourth, I actually volunteered some suggestions to Paul, about a year
ago or so, based on my experience with Alesis Ion. But that's just
because Ion and Zyn share similar architectural concepts.
What you're saying is essentially a re-hash of the old theme "this is
the Linux Revolution, let's take over the world, join us or prepare for
combat."
Please, let's stay rational. Or better yet, contribute code instead of
cranking out propaganda.
--
Florin Andrei
http://florin.myip.org/
>From: Florin Andrei <florin(a)andrei.myip.org>
You gotta be
kidding.
Are you suggesting to replace a Kurzweil K2661, or an Alesis Andromeda,
or a Hartmann Neuron with ZynAddSubFX?
Well, you're basically saying that the Linux audio is not
professional enough yet. This information is great. Now
you should tell the ZynAddSubFX author (Paul?) what his
software is missing.
6:32 p.m.
Last Thursday 14 July 2005 16:45, Juhana Sadeharju was like:
Well, you're basically saying that the Linux audio is not
professional enough yet. This information is great. Now
you should tell the ZynAddSubFX author (Paul?) what his
software is missing.
If musicians avoid using Linux software synths and other similar
software, we simply don't face the problem. It does not help
if only non-musicians try to use these software. We need
a demo made by professional musicians, not by non-musicians.
WADR Juhana, I think you're being silly.
Every different synth has its great voices, unique tones and also its
weaknesses, hardware or software. The same applies to acoustic instruments
and voices. Music is a creative process, which involves idiosyncrasy,
emotion, psychoacoustics and doing what you can with what you've got. History
has provided us with some classic sounds from the first EMS synthi and Moogs
to ZynAddSubFX. Let's use them all. Soundfonts can be useful, but if I have
the chance to mic up a real Hammond or Mellotron, I will take it.
Recording it straight to Ardour, you understand. ;)
If you're using Linux for the Digital Audio Workstation part of your set-up
instead of Mac/Windows then your music qualifies as 'made with Linux'. We
could get picky and talk in terms of 'composed/recorded/mastered with Linux',
whatever, so long as no innocent GNUs get harmed in the course of the
production, then it will be welcome on my 'made with Linux' playlist.
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
If you have a commercial hardware synth, try
replace it with Zynaddsubfx.
You gotta be kidding.
Are you suggesting to replace a Kurzweil K2661, or an Alesis Andromeda,
or a Hartmann Neuron with ZynAddSubFX? 
9:20 p.m.
tim hall wrote:
Last Thursday 14 July 2005 16:45, Juhana Sadeharju was
like:
Well, you're basically saying that the Linux audio is not
professional enough yet. This information is great. Now
you should tell the ZynAddSubFX author (Paul?) what his
software is missing.
If musicians avoid using Linux software synths and other similar
software, we simply don't face the problem. It does not help
if only non-musicians try to use these software. We need
a demo made by professional musicians, not by non-musicians.
Recording it straight to Ardour, you understand. ;)
/"psychoacoustics and doing what you can with what you've got"
/
Its the 'psychoacoustics' bit that changes everything!!!!
Just be a slave to the sound!
If it works use it.
Ardour brought me this:
http://www.web-links.net/ogg
And you'll hear how it progressed to the mastering stage.
Behringer says: Just Listen
sounds good to me.
Enjoy
Bob
If you have a commercial hardware synth, try
replace it with Zynaddsubfx.
You gotta be kidding.
Are you suggesting to replace a Kurzweil K2661, or an Alesis Andromeda,
or a Hartmann Neuron with ZynAddSubFX?
If you're using Linux for the Digital Audio
Workstation part of your set-up
instead of Mac/Windows then your music qualifies as 'made with Linux'. We
could get picky and talk in terms of 'composed/recorded/mastered with Linux',
whatever, so long as no innocent GNUs get harmed in the course of the
production, then it will be welcome on my 'made with Linux' playlist.
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
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