Grindshaming. That should totally be a thing. On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 9:51 AM, SxDx <sed(a)free.fr> wrote:

Hello Secric! I think, this is the first piece I ever heard from you or I didn't archive one correctly. I never put you down for metalic. If you'd asked me, I'd have said, sometyhing with synths. But maybe, that's because of dx. :-) Anyway, I didn't really get that thread, perhaps because I didn't see the pictures involved and am generally not too good with chatting dialogues. They always appear so unordered. When you say crap song for crap peopole, then - without being offensive to you - I must agree. It's a crap song. Fun though. Sounds like a real straight from the belly venting of steam. and it tickels some cravess of nostalgia somewhere, though I don't know where. as I said, no brain is really involved in listening, its more belly. One last absolutely not culturally sensitive remark, before I "fuck off". You showed them, that France is just as good at metal/grind as the Skandinavian or German fraction. I will keep it archived and go back, when I need a good scream for comfort, for I can't scream and shout: no voice for it... A bientot Julien ---------------------------------------- http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

On Sun, 2013-02-10 at 18:51 +0100, SxDx wrote: I agree. I would like to continue this at Debian off-topic mailing list, instead of continuing on this list. Also not tolerable are - inadequate censorship - calling something sexism, that has nothing to do with sexism Tolerable is to - call something pedo-porn, that is neither porn, nor child pornography, but doing this is idiotic. This picture does show a virtual singer. Yes, for some people it's a sexy girl, that's how things are performed, even the female pianist giving a concert in the state opera house gets dressed up before she is performing. Some people prefer to wear a super hero school girl uniform, others prefer to wear an evening dress. Both are facings to show some erotic, it's simply part of our lives. And again, the schema of childlike characteristics is not equal to pedophilia. IMO it's important to distinguish between people who like cuteness and paedophiles. Porn does mean explicit sexual action, a Lolita pose is neither porn nor sexism, or at least such a pose seldom is sexism. Regards, Ralf

On 02/10/2013 12:51 PM, SxDx wrote: I will say that this is one of the most intolerant displays I've seen in years. That is amazing in itself, because I know some really intolerant people. I laugh, since the person showing this intolerance is PREACHING tolerance. (isn't that always the case?) -- --- My bands, CD projects, music, news, and pictures: http://www.lateralforce.com My blog, with commentary on a variety of things, including audio, mixing, equipment, etc, is at: http://audioandmore.wordpress.com Staat heißt das kälteste aller kalten Ungeheuer. Kalt lügt es auch; und diese Lüge kriecht aus seinem Munde: 'Ich, der Staat, bin das Volk.' - [Friedrich Nietzsche]

2013/2/10 SxDx <sed(a)free.fr> ... nobody can be seriously offended by your poor minded point of view (ie. live from the middle ages) where do you live? in cellar? "...words are very important but if we take them too seriosly we destroy everything! " -- *L'unica speranza di catarsi, ammesso che ne esista una, resta affidata all'istinto di ribellione, alla rivolta non isterilita in progetti, alla protesta violenta e viscerale. (V. Evangelisti) *

Hiho, I had to go back and find this original post (or was there more that I missed? ... not watching this list so closely at the moment), to see what the fuzz was all about. My 2 cents: The picture per se is not so much the problem, I think, the alternative picture suggested (jokingly?) by the person using <male> as nickname would be problematic. But more importantly, I get the impression (from his remark about the angry wife) that the person using <male> as nickname in the IRC has a serious problem with his wife, and respect towards her, and maybe women in general, and I can't escape the impression that his marriage is suffering from it. But alas, there's only so much you can interpret into a short chat history that you didn't partake in. As for the remarks concerning portraying women in burka's or not... (somewhere in the discussion) I read this book by a Dutch author Joris Luyendijk, who had been to Egypt to learn more about the culture there, specifically the muslim culture. One of the most striking things I found the rationale about the restrictions in women's wear, which I found to be more degenerative towards men than women. The rationale seems to be that men cannot control themselves, and therefor need to be protected from seductions. In this I interpret that they consider men to have less self control than women... Of course, Western society is totally exploiting sex and sexuality for advertising purposes, and this is quite problematic as it causes problems in terms of self-image and media-imposed role-models - of which both men and women are victims. Both music and free, open source software communities are IMHO both fields, where a countermovement against mass-media practices can take place and can have an impact, so please let's not waste this opportunity to do so. (in that sense, one should consider whether taking an image from popular culture is the right thing to do for a default desktop). Sexism in informatics/engineering does occur; most worryingly reflected in the difference in payment between men and women for the same job. I've heard stories of couples graduating from the same university course of computer science, where the man got hired at a larger start salary than the woman, even though she did better in university (as reflected in her grades) - statistics reflect this story on a much larger scale. This is where the real problem lies. Personally, I've had both good and bad experiences; I've lead a team of wonderful programmers to work on the WFS system in Berlin, but I've also encountered some situations where I had to drop a few technical terms before I was taken seriously by a fellow programmer. I've also had many situations where I was fixing the hardcore techy stuff, which the men involved in the project weren't able to figure out. I'm still wondering whether positive discrimination is a good or a bad thing - it does feel strange sometimes. To shift the balance: - to those of you raising kids, make sure that you don't impose a specifically male of female role model onto your kid. If a boy wants to learn to sow, let him; if a girl wants the electronics kit, give it to her (I sure had lots of fun with it). - in teaching, give equal kind of attention to any person you teach. As a teacher you should try and get the best out of any person regardless of gender. - in general, be respectful to any kind of person, and try not to generalise people based on gender, sexuality, social class, race, or whatever. :) Anyway, as I've mentioned before to the lads at the LAC, I've found it a pleasant enough company to be around in; see you at the next one! I've got to get back to work now ;) sincerely, Marije On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 18:51:09 +0100 SxDx &lt;sed(a)free.fr&gt; wrote: