8 May
2021
8 May
'21
8:29 p.m.
'A massive middle finger': Open-source audio fans up in arms after
Audacity opts to add telemetry capture
Move comes days after firm acquired by Muse Group
https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/07/audacity_telemetry/
The article notes that it's actually an "opt in" but cautions that
users might mistakenly do so.
8 May
8 May
9:08 p.m.
On Sat, 8 May 2021 12:28:44 -0400
Kevin Cole <dc.loco(a)gmail.com> wrote:
'A massive middle finger': Open-source audio
fans up in arms after
Audacity opts to add telemetry capture
Move comes days after firm acquired by Muse Group
https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/07/audacity_telemetry/
The article notes that it's actually an "opt in" but cautions that
users might mistakenly do so.
Indeed. Not good news. It's been widely reported. I first saw this on 'The
Register'. People are just unhappy about the telemetry, but absolutely furious
about the two third parties involved. I've used Audacity for years for simple
top-and-tailing. I won't be doing so any more.
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9:51 p.m.
On 08/05/21 18:08, Will Godfrey wrote:
On Sat, 8 May 2021 12:28:44 -0400
Kevin Cole <dc.loco(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I do not expect Linux distributions to enable the telemetry.
And from what Audacity developers have said, there is a compile-time
option for it which is disabled by default.
I have looked into their CI builds, seems just using regular Github actions.
So maintaining a fork for just build-time disabled telemetry should be
quite okay.
It is very sad to see though, that is for sure.
One of the very first things they do to "modernize" the codebase is
adding telemetry, hah, really fits the "modern" attitudes for sure...
PS: they already added google analytics and other stuff on top of
musescore. I personally have little hopes of them backing down from this.
'A massive middle finger': Open-source
audio fans up in arms after
Audacity opts to add telemetry capture
Move comes days after firm acquired by Muse Group
https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/07/audacity_telemetry/
The article notes that it's actually an "opt in" but cautions that
users might mistakenly do so.
Indeed. Not good news. It's been widely
reported. I first saw this on 'The
Register'. People are just unhappy about the telemetry, but absolutely furious
about the two third parties involved. I've used Audacity for years for simple
top-and-tailing. I won't be doing so any more. 
9 May
9 May
4:44 a.m.
On May 8, 2021 7:51:45 AM HST, Filipe Coelho <falktx(a)falktx.com> wrote:
On 08/05/21 18:08, Will Godfrey wrote:
So what replacements for Audacity exist?
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On Sat, 8 May 2021 12:28:44 -0400
Kevin Cole <dc.loco(a)gmail.com> wrote:
on 'The
'A massive middle finger': Open-source
audio fans up in arms after
Audacity opts to add telemetry capture
Move comes days after firm acquired by Muse Group
https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/07/audacity_telemetry/
The article notes that it's actually an "opt in" but cautions that
users might mistakenly do so.
Indeed. Not good news. It's been widely
reported. I first saw this Register'. People are just unhappy about the
telemetry, but
absolutely furious
about the two third parties involved. I've
used Audacity for years
for simple
top-and-tailing. I won't be doing so any
more.
I do not expect Linux distributions to enable the telemetry.
And from what Audacity developers have said, there is a compile-time
option for it which is disabled by default.
I have looked into their CI builds, seems just using regular Github
actions.
So maintaining a fork for just build-time disabled telemetry should be
quite okay.
It is very sad to see though, that is for sure.
One of the very first things they do to "modernize" the codebase is
adding telemetry, hah, really fits the "modern" attitudes for sure...
PS: they already added google analytics and other stuff on top of
musescore. I personally have little hopes of them backing down from
this. 
6:50 a.m.
What about snd? I've snd is super featureful and has lots of
sound-editing capabilities. Does anyone know about the capabilities of snd?
I'm so tired of having to avoid these kinds of things. I'll have to look
at my distribution's build scripts to make sure telemetry is not
included. smh :(
Brandon Hale
On 5/8/21 9:01 PM, Roger wrote:
So what replacements for Audacity exist?
Not much afaik. There's Mhwaveedit which still uses GTK2 I believe. Or
Ocenaudio which is not open source.
Neither are as full featured as Audacity, nor appear to have
development in the last 3 years or so.
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10:52 a.m.
What is "snd"? Internet search only found references to the various ALSA sound
drivers.
On May 8, 2021 4:50:24 PM HST, Brandon Hale <bthaleproductions(a)gmail.com> wrote:
What about snd? I've snd is super featureful and
has lots of
sound-editing capabilities. Does anyone know about the capabilities of
snd?
I'm so tired of having to avoid these kinds of things. I'll have to
look
at my distribution's build scripts to make sure telemetry is not
included. smh :(
Brandon Hale
On 5/8/21 9:01 PM, Roger wrote:
Or
> Ocenaudio which is not open source.
>
> Neither are as full featured as Audacity, nor appear to have
> development in the last 3 years or so.
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So what replacements for Audacity exist?
Not much afaik. There's Mhwaveedit which still uses GTK2 I believe. 
11:28 a.m.
On 2021-05-09 08:52, David W. Jones wrote:
What is "snd"? Internet search only found
references to the various ALSA sound drivers.
https://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/
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11:08 a.m.
On 05/09/21 03:01, Roger wrote:
gnusound [1] and rezound [2] springs to mind but I'm sure any of those
are actively developed anymore.
[1] https://www.gnu.org/software/gnusound/
[2] http://rezound.sourceforge.net/
So what replacements for Audacity exist?
Not much afaik. There's Mhwaveedit which still uses GTK2 I believe. Or
Ocenaudio which is not open source.
Neither are as full featured as Audacity, nor appear to have development
in the last 3 years or so.
12 May
12 May
9:38 a.m.
On 5/8/21 9:08 PM, Bent Bisballe Nyeng wrote:
On 05/09/21 03:01, Roger wrote:
gnusound [1] and rezound [2] springs to mind but
I'm sure any of those
are actively developed anymore.
[1] https://www.gnu.org/software/gnusound/
[2] http://rezound.sourceforge.net/
Neither of them exist in Debian repository.
ReZound's last news update as 2008, when they switched from CVS to SVN.
Latest version is dated 2013.
GNUSound says the most recent version was released 2008. Sounds like it
hasn't had anything done to it since then.
Sounds to me like they're both dead.
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So what
replacements for Audacity exist?
Not much afaik. There's Mhwaveedit which still
uses GTK2 I believe. Or
Ocenaudio which is not open source.
Neither are as full featured as Audacity, nor appear to have development
in the last 3 years or so. 
11:01 a.m.
On 5/12/21 6:38 AM, david wrote:
ReZound's last news update as 2008, when they switched from CVS to SVN.
Latest version is dated 2013.
https://github.com/ddurham2/rezound
last commit just one year ago :)
version 0.13.1
fwiw. it still is my favorite sound editor ever!
cheers
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13 May
13 May
9:59 a.m.
On 5/11/21 9:00 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
On 5/12/21 6:38 AM, david wrote:
Thanks, Rui. I grabbed and added -dev libs and compiled and ran it
successfully. Unfortunately, everything's far too tiny to be used on my
4K display. :(
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"My password is the last 8 digits of π."
ReZound's last news update as 2008, when they switched from CVS to
SVN. Latest version is dated 2013.
https://github.com/ddurham2/rezound
last commit just one year ago :)
version 0.13.1
fwiw. it still is my favorite sound editor ever!
cheers 
23 May
23 May
5:43 p.m.
And while we're talking about deceased sound editors. No 2 after rezound:
http://www.metadecks.org/software/sweep/
Am 09.05.21 um 09:08 schrieb Bent Bisballe Nyeng:
On 05/09/21 03:01, Roger wrote:
gnusound [1] and rezound [2] springs to mind but I'm sure any of those
are actively developed anymore.
[1] https://www.gnu.org/software/gnusound/
[2] http://rezound.sourceforge.net/
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So what replacements for Audacity exist?
Not much afaik. There's Mhwaveedit which still uses GTK2 I believe. Or
Ocenaudio which is not open source.
Neither are as full featured as Audacity, nor appear to have development
in the last 3 years or so.
9 May
9 May
7:38 p.m.
On Sat, 8 May 2021 18:51:45 +0100
Filipe Coelho <falktx(a)falktx.com> wrote:
On 08/05/21 18:08, Will Godfrey wrote:
Does anyone know anything about the company? They seem to have come from
nowhere. I can't find any Software presence at all, let alone FLOSS :(
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Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
On Sat, 8 May 2021 12:28:44 -0400
Kevin Cole <dc.loco(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I do not expect Linux distributions to enable the telemetry.
And from what Audacity developers have said, there is a compile-time
option for it which is disabled by default.
I have looked into their CI builds, seems just using regular Github actions.
So maintaining a fork for just build-time disabled telemetry should be
quite okay.
It is very sad to see though, that is for sure.
One of the very first things they do to "modernize" the codebase is
adding telemetry, hah, really fits the "modern" attitudes for sure...
PS: they already added google analytics and other stuff on top of
musescore. I personally have little hopes of them backing down from this. 'A massive middle finger': Open-source
audio fans up in arms after
Audacity opts to add telemetry capture
Move comes days after firm acquired by Muse Group
https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/07/audacity_telemetry/
The article notes that it's actually an "opt in" but cautions that
users might mistakenly do so.
Indeed. Not good news. It's been widely
reported. I first saw this on 'The
Register'. People are just unhappy about the telemetry, but absolutely furious
about the two third parties involved. I've used Audacity for years for simple
top-and-tailing. I won't be doing so any more.
7:43 p.m.
Hang on,
Surely not these people?
https://themusegroup.co.uk/
If the alarm bells weren't ringing before, they should now be jumping off the
wall!!!
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http://yoshimi.github.io
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
8:13 p.m.
No, it is https://mu.se/.
It is a new brand from people owning 'Utimate guitar' guitar tab site,
who acquires Musescore two years ago. I'm sad to see two of my most use
software down in the dark side.
Le 09/05/2021 à 17:43, Will Godfrey a écrit :
Hang on,
Surely not these people?
https://themusegroup.co.uk/
If the alarm bells weren't ringing before, they should now be jumping off the
wall!!!
8:18 p.m.
On Sun, 9 May 2021 18:13:50 +0200
Nicolas Faure <sub26nico(a)zaclys.net> wrote:
No, it is https://mu.se/.
It is a new brand from people owning 'Utimate guitar' guitar tab site,
who acquires Musescore two years ago. I'm sad to see two of my most use
software down in the dark side.
Le 09/05/2021 à 17:43, Will Godfrey a écrit :
> Hang on,
>
> Surely not these people?
> https://themusegroup.co.uk/
>
> If the alarm bells weren't ringing before, they should now be jumping off the
> wall!!!
>
Ah Thanks. Panic over... I think!
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http://yoshimi.github.io
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
8:12 p.m.
On Sun, May 09, 2021 at 04:38:13PM +0100, Will Godfrey wrote:
Does anyone know anything about the company? They seem
to have come from
nowhere. I can't find any Software presence at all, let alone FLOSS :(
This is their web:
https://mu.se/about
8:18 p.m.
New subject: The audacity of Audacity: Telemetry / Google Analytics added
On 10/5/21 2:12 am, Roberto wrote:
On Sun, May 09, 2021 at 04:38:13PM +0100, Will Godfrey
wrote:
Simply explained - https://librearts.org/2021/05/ultimate- ...
-audacity/
<https://librearts.org/2021/05/ultimate-guitar-launches-muse-group-and-acquires-audacity/>
Does anyone know anything about the company? They
seem to have come from
nowhere. I can't find any Software presence at all, let alone FLOSS :(
This is
their web:
https://mu.se/about 
9:32 p.m.
New subject: The audacity of Audacity: Telemetry / Google Analytics added
I don't know if you guys know Tantacrul, but he posted this just a week ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMWNvwLiXIQ
Louigi Verona
https://louigiverona.com/
On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 6:19 PM Roger <gurusonic(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/5/21 2:12 am, Roberto wrote:
On Sun, May 09, 2021 at 04:38:13PM +0100, Will
Godfrey wrote:
Simply explained - https://librearts.org/2021/05/ultimate-
...
-audacity/
<
https://librearts.org/2021/05/ultimate-guitar-launches-muse-group-and-acqui…
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Does anyone know anything about the company? They
seem to have come from
nowhere. I can't find any Software presence at all, let alone FLOSS :(
This is
their web:
https://mu.se/about 
10 May
10 May
1 a.m.
New subject: The audacity of Audacity: Telemetry / Google Analytics added
Thank you for the link, Louigi. I feel better now.
Jack
On 2021-05-09 10:32 a.m., Louigi Verona wrote:
I don't know if you guys know Tantacrul, but he
posted this just a
week ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMWNvwLiXIQ
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMWNvwLiXIQ>
Louigi Verona
https://louigiverona.com/ <https://louigiverona.com/>
On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 6:19 PM Roger <gurusonic(a)gmail.com
<mailto:gurusonic@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 10/5/21 2:12 am, Roberto wrote:
On Sun, May 09, 2021 at 04:38:13PM +0100, Will
Godfrey wrote:
> Does anyone know anything about the company? They seem to have
come from
> nowhere. I can't find any Software
presence at all, let alone
FLOSS :(
This is their web:
https://mu.se/about <https://mu.se/about>
Simply explained -
https://librearts.org/2021/05/ultimate-
<https://librearts.org/2021/05/ultimate-> ...
-audacity/
<https://librearts.org/2021/05/ultimate-guitar-launches-muse-group-and-acquires-audacity/
<https://librearts.org/2021/05/ultimate-guitar-launches-muse-group-and-acquires-audacity/>>
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11:30 a.m.
On 08/05/21 18:28, Kevin Cole wrote:
'A massive middle finger': Open-source audio
fans up in arms after
Audacity opts to add telemetry capture
Move comes days after firm acquired by Muse Group
https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/07/audacity_telemetry/
The article notes that it's actually an "opt in" but cautions that
users might mistakenly do so.
Additional potentially useful reading:
https://github.com/audacity/audacity/pull/835 (actually cited in that
very article on the Register)
Also interesting read IMHO:
Data Collection vs Telemetry in Audacity -
https://github.com/SndChaser/AudacityTelemetryComments/blob/main/DataCollec…
I think from a Linux (Audio) perspective, this is also an interesting
comment, incidentally in that same issue about telemetry:
https://github.com/audacity/audacity/pull/835#issuecomment-836109757
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