7 Sep
2010
7 Sep
'10
12:29 p.m.
rosea grammostola:
Hi,
Processor:
So it looks like I go for a intel i3 processor, with integrated gpu.
Probably a good choice. Intel processors are able to handle more heat than
the ones from AMD.
Anyway, I'm a fan of Asus MBs, either Intel or AMD
processors. I used
Most motherboards usually works, but Intel is generally less tweakable,
which could be important if you want a silent computer.
to work for AMD but frankly right now it's
pretty hard to beat Intel's
Core i5 & i7 offerings. I've got an i5-661, i7-920 and an i7-980x.
They are all quite nice at different price points and the i5 is very
energy efficient.
MB:
Does it make sense to go for an Intel motherboard when I have also a Intel
processor? Then it should fit right ;) Like the Intel Desktop Board DH55HC
for example?
Asus is also mentioned pretty often indeed, MSI too. Which is the best,
that's all I have to know ;)
Power:
When it comes to a power supply I was thinking about Enermax PRO82+ 385W. I
heard that brand is good...
Yes, but also check out www.silentpcreview.com.
Cases:
There are pretty some option these days. Towers, mini-itx, htpc. I like the
style of the Antec ones ( antec Solo-EU Quiet Mini Tower Case, NoPSU, for
example).
Smaller is more mobile and looks nicer, but what is better and more silent?
Bigger is more silent. bigger => colder => more silent.
Another (extremly important) factor to look out for is that the PSU is
placed at the bottom of the case, and not anywhere near the CPU.
Antec, fractal design and coolermaster are some manufacturers
providing this design.
Memory:
Any recommended brands, type and speed?
Pick the one with the lowest price/performance ratio, and check that it
works properly using memcheck after installation.
At notam we have also made this guide/recommendation list for building a
silent computer:
http://www.notam02.no/projects/index.php?title=Noiseless_PC
7 Sep
7 Sep
6:03 p.m.
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On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen <
k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
Probably a good choice. Intel processors are able to handle more heat than
the ones from AMD.
Thanks for the info, great!
How hard is it to upgrade a processor later? I'm thinking of buying a i3
now, but like to be able to upgrade to a i7 later.
Most motherboards usually works, but Intel is generally less tweakable,
which could be important if you want a silent computer.
So then MSI or ASUS might be better. But is that working with the integrated
GPU?
Power:
You have a PS without fan? Most PS I see have a fan inside (120mm)
When it comes to a power supply I was thinking
about Enermax PRO82+ 385W.
I
heard that brand is good...
Yes, but also check out www.silentpcreview.com.
Bigger is more silent. bigger => colder => more silent.
That's why you have a midi tower and no mini tower I guess...
Another (extremly important) factor to look out for is that the PSU is
placed at the bottom of the case, and not anywhere near the CPU.
Antec, fractal design and coolermaster are some manufacturers
providing this design.
Thanks, I'll search for one.
At notam we have also made this guide/recommendation list for building a
silent computer:
http://www.notam02.no/projects/index.php?title=Noiseless_PC
Great info, thanks
8:31 p.m.
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On Tue, 7 Sep 2010, rosea grammostola wrote:
Yes, it will work if the MB is specified to work with integrated graphics.
Pretty sure there are many of those both from MSI and ASUS. Just check
the specs before buying. :-)
Yeah, it works great. Not very cheap though. You probably
still need one or more fans for the computer case, but the advantage
is that you get control over which fans you have in your
system (a noctua fan running at 400RPM is extremely quiet),
you can easely replace old fans, and you can avoid
fans changing speed depending on the temperature (which all
PSU-fans do).
As long as the PSU is placed quite far away from the CPU (for instance
a computer case where the PSU is placed at the bottom),
you have a tiny bit of ventilation in the computer case, and
you don't have a huge gfx card or other
things which consumes lots of power or generates heat, it
shouldn't be a problem using a fanless PSU. Infact, even that tiny
bit of ventilation might not be needed anymore with the
new fanless PSU from seasonic.
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen
<
k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
If the future i7 processor fits in the socket of your mainboard,
it should work. Sometimes you have to update the bios first though.
For i3, i5 and i7 processors, I think there are two types of sockets,
and I'm pretty sure you can't put a CPU made for one socket into
a motherboard made for the other type.
Probably a good choice. Intel processors are able to handle more heat than
the ones from AMD.
Thanks for the info, great!
How hard is it to upgrade a processor later? I'm thinking of buying a i3
now, but like to be able to upgrade to a i7 later.
Most motherboards usually works, but Intel is generally less tweakable,
which could be important if you want a silent computer.
So then MSI or ASUS might be better. But is that working with the integrated
GPU?
Power:
You have a PS without fan? Most PS I see have a fan inside (120mm)
When it comes to a power supply I was thinking
about Enermax PRO82+ 385W.
I
heard that brand is good...
Yes, but also check out www.silentpcreview.com. 
8 Sep
8 Sep
5:55 a.m.
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Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote:
As long as the PSU is placed quite far away from the
CPU (for instance
a computer case where the PSU is placed at the bottom),
you have a tiny bit of ventilation in the computer case, and
you don't have a huge gfx card or other
things which consumes lots of power or generates heat, it
shouldn't be a problem using a fanless PSU. Infact, even that tiny
bit of ventilation might not be needed anymore with the
new fanless PSU from seasonic.
Design a case like a chimney and let the hot air rise on it's own. ;-)
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
7:22 a.m.
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I built a system using this mb.
DFI MI P55-T36 mini-ITX M/B
and an i5 750
it seemed to work quite well and be power efficient.
I haven't done one for myself because I need firewire.
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:55 PM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote:
As long as the PSU is placed quite far away from the CPU (for instance
a computer case where the PSU is placed at the
bottom),
you have a tiny bit of ventilation in the computer case, and
you don't have a huge gfx card or other
things which consumes lots of power or generates heat, it
shouldn't be a problem using a fanless PSU. Infact, even that tiny
bit of ventilation might not be needed anymore with the
new fanless PSU from seasonic.
Design a case like a chimney and let the hot air rise on it's own. ;-)
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
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2:43 p.m.
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On 7 September 2010 at 19:55, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Design a case like a chimney and let the hot air rise
on it's own. ;-)
... and avoid putting the hottest things at the bottom where they
raise the heat of all the rest of the things in the case above them.
--
Kevin
4:10 p.m.
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Hi,
Concerning the i3 processor, I have to found out whether the integrated gpu
works with RT kernels or not...
@Kjetil, you don't have experience with it?
Someone else?
I also hear some rumors about m-audio pci cards, not working very well with
some new motherboards... Anyone who has heard it to, or has experienced
trouble here?
\r
11:29 p.m.
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On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 06:10:32PM +0200, rosea grammostola wrote:
Hi,
Concerning the i3 processor, I have to found out whether the integrated gpu
works with RT kernels or not...
@Kjetil, you don't have experience with it?
Someone else?
I also hear some rumors about m-audio pci cards, not working very well with
some new motherboards... Anyone who has heard it to, or has experienced
trouble here?
This is kind of disturbing. Isn't there a Wiki or database somewhere that one can
input a motherboard, cpu, gpu, kernel and rt patch, and check "working",
"not working", "has problems", etc? Maybe also a field for "IRQs
adjustable in BIOS yes/no"?
I've seen these kinds of community-maintained matrices for many other linux hardware,
so why not for motherboard/CPU/GPU combinations?
-ken
9 Sep
9 Sep
4:12 a.m.
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Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
On 7 September 2010 at 19:55, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Yup, my diagrammed design had the PS at the top, with the PS fan on the
TOP of the PS.
I think if you applied information about airflow dynamics, you could
come up with a "chimney" design that made the air swirl up, moving it
toward the sides of the chimney and away from the components.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
Design a case like a chimney and let the hot air
rise on it's own. ;-)
... and avoid putting the hottest things at the bottom where they
raise the heat of all the rest of the things in the case above them. 
8:34 p.m.
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On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 18:12 -1000, david wrote:
Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Mac_G4_Cube
No fans and a chimney... :-)
Of course if you block the chimney...
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA44017?viewlocale=en_US
-- Fernando
On 7 September 2010 at 19:55, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Yup, my diagrammed design had the PS at the top, with the PS fan on the
TOP of the PS.
I think if you applied information about airflow dynamics, you could
come up with a "chimney" design that made the air swirl up, moving it
toward the sides of the chimney and away from the components. Design a case like a chimney and let the hot air
rise on it's own. ;-)
... and avoid putting the hottest things at the bottom where they
raise the heat of all the rest of the things in the case above them.
10 Sep
10 Sep
5:40 a.m.
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Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 18:12 -1000, david wrote:
That's right, I'd forgotten about the Cube.
I'd diagrammed my chimney design quite a few years before the Cube came
out. Didn't patent it. Clearly Steve Jobs stole my idea! ;-)
Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Mac_G4_Cube
No fans and a chimney... :-) On 7 September 2010 at 19:55, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Yup, my
diagrammed design had the PS at the top, with the PS fan on the
TOP of the PS.
I think if you applied information about airflow dynamics, you could
come up with a "chimney" design that made the air swirl up, moving it
toward the sides of the chimney and away from the components. Design a case like a chimney and let the hot air
rise on it's own. ;-)
... and avoid putting the hottest things at the bottom
where they
raise the heat of all the rest of the things in the case above them. Of course if you block the chimney...
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA44017?viewlocale=en_US
Can't tell, it won't come up in Konqueror.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
3:54 p.m.
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Hi,
Thanks for all the info so far.
I have gathered some components:
Processor: i5 750
Heatsink: ?
MB: Asus P7P55D
Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB(2x2GB) PC3-10666
HDD: 2 x Western Digital WD5000AADS (Bulk, Caviar Green) (500GB)
Case: Antec SOLO
Fan: Nexus 120mm Real Silent case fan
DVD: Lite-On iHAS124 24xDVDRW
PSU: Seasonic S12II, 380Watt, ATX
Screen: Lenovo L1951p 19" or ThinkVision L197 19inch (1440x900) Wide
Flat Panel LCD (Analog/Digital) HDCP TCO 03,MPR-II
Comments are welcome.
\r
5:45 p.m.
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On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:54 AM, rosea grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for all the info so far.
I have gathered some components:
Processor: i5 750
Heatsink: ?
MB: Asus P7P55D
Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB(2x2GB) PC3-10666
HDD: 2 x Western Digital WD5000AADS (Bulk, Caviar Green) (500GB)
Case: Antec SOLO
Fan: Nexus 120mm Real Silent case fan
DVD: Lite-On iHAS124 24xDVDRW
PSU: Seasonic S12II, 380Watt, ATX
Screen: Lenovo L1951p 19" or ThinkVision L197 19inch (1440x900) Wide
Flat Panel LCD (Analog/Digital) HDCP TCO 03,MPR-II
Comments are welcome.
\r
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As I see you are buying 2 500GB hard drives can I suggest
(unfortunately at higher cost) the WD Enterprise Class RAID capable
drive?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001EMZPD0/ref=oss_product
These drives have much longer lifetimes and are completely RAID
compliant with features like time limited recovery.
I tried to set up RAID1 and RAID0 with the 1TB version of the Green
drives you are listing and they simply didn't work well. A lot of
these Green Series drives park the heads quite quickly (to save power)
but unfortunately this causes them to wear out faster. They are I
think generally better suited for machines that aren't on all the time
or in heavy use. Watch your SMART data if you go that way.
Why 2 drives by the way? One for the system and the second for audio?
Note that these RAID drives do tend to be a bit more noisy, but not
terribly, and may consume more power so you'll likely need to do a bit
more noise control than with the green drives.
As for the DVD take a look at the Optiarc AD-7240S as a drive that
seems to work very well with cdrecord and I think Linux in general.
Hope this helps,
Mark
6:10 p.m.
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On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Processor: i5 750
I tried to set up RAID1 and RAID0 with the 1TB version
of the Green
drives you are listing and they simply didn't work well. A lot of
these Green Series drives park the heads quite quickly (to save power)
but unfortunately this causes them to wear out faster. They are I
think generally better suited for machines that aren't on all the time
or in heavy use. Watch your SMART data if you go that way.
Why 2 drives by the way? One for the system and the second for audio?
Note that these RAID drives do tend to be a bit more noisy, but not
terribly, and may consume more power so you'll likely need to do a bit
more noise control than with the green drives.
One drive for / and /home, one for backup and audio
The plan was not to go for RAID, but wait till the SSD gets cheaper...
I have no experience with RAID...
\r
11 Sep
11 Sep
3:09 p.m.
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On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:09 AM, rosea grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Mark Knecht
<markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I was not suggesting you use RAID. I was suggesting you possibly buy
data center drives (which happen to be RAID capable) because they have
better specs, last longer and don't cost all that much more (as a
percentage of the complete system cost) than green drives. Either
drive family will likely work well for you.
As for the fan I purchased a CoolerMaster V8 and found that the thing
was so tall that it wouldn't fit in any of my cases, not even the
fuller tower CoolerMaster Cosmos. Make sure you work through all the
dimensions of your system before you buy one of these monster fans.
Again, for a silent PC at a reasonable price I'd still probably look
at water cooling first, but I've never actually built one so I have no
experience to lend to the discussion.
- Mark
> Processor: i5 750
I tried to set up RAID1 and RAID0 with the 1TB
version of the Green
drives you are listing and they simply didn't work well. A lot of
these Green Series drives park the heads quite quickly (to save power)
but unfortunately this causes them to wear out faster. They are I
think generally better suited for machines that aren't on all the time
or in heavy use. Watch your SMART data if you go that way.
Why 2 drives by the way? One for the system and the second for audio?
Note that these RAID drives do tend to be a bit more noisy, but not
terribly, and may consume more power so you'll likely need to do a bit
more noise control than with the green drives.
One drive for / and /home, one for backup and audio
The plan was not to go for RAID, but wait till the SSD gets cheaper...
I have no experience with RAID... 
8:37 p.m.
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On Saturday 11 September 2010 17:09:23 Mark Knecht wrote:
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:09 AM, rosea grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Last "special data center" hard-disks I bought failed on short before warranty
was over and the other shortly after warranty was over.
(No data lost as they announced their fail in smart. And the important stuff is
on raid1.)
Still I would go for two drives (and will so with my next machine). Get two
different drives and have a raid1 for the really important stuff. Why two
different? If you buy two of the exact same kind at exactly the same time, they
will also fail at the same time which reduces your data-security... And don't
try to tell me I am wrong, I've seen to many pairs of exactly-the-same drives
fail at the same time...
Have fun,
Arnold
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Mark Knecht
<markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote:
One drive for / and /home, one for backup and audio
The plan was not to go for RAID, but wait till the SSD gets cheaper...
I have no experience with RAID...
I was not suggesting you use RAID. I was suggesting you possibly buy
data center drives (which happen to be RAID capable) because they have
better specs, last longer and don't cost all that much more (as a
percentage of the complete system cost) than green drives. Either
drive family will likely work well for you.
Processor: i5 750
I tried to set up RAID1 and RAID0 with the 1TB version of the Green
drives you are listing and they simply didn't work well. A lot of
these Green Series drives park the heads quite quickly (to save power)
but unfortunately this causes them to wear out faster. They are I
think generally better suited for machines that aren't on all the time
or in heavy use. Watch your SMART data if you go that way.
Why 2 drives by the way? One for the system and the second for audio?
Note that these RAID drives do tend to be a bit more noisy, but not
terribly, and may consume more power so you'll likely need to do a bit
more noise control than with the green drives.
13 Sep
13 Sep
1:58 p.m.
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On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Arnold Krille <arnold(a)arnoldarts.de> wrote:
On Saturday 11 September 2010 17:09:23 Mark Knecht
wrote:
Do you guys backup only your /home folder and personal files/
documents, or the root ( / ) system also?
\r
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:09 AM, rosea
grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Last "special data center" hard-disks I bought failed on short before warranty
was over and the other shortly after warranty was over.
(No data lost as they announced their fail in smart. And the important stuff is
on raid1.)
Still I would go for two drives (and will so with my next machine). Get two
different drives and have a raid1 for the really important stuff. Why two
different? If you buy two of the exact same kind at exactly the same time, they
will also fail at the same time which reduces your data-security... And don't
try to tell me I am wrong, I've seen to many pairs of exactly-the-same drives
fail at the same time... On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Mark Knecht
<markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I was not suggesting you use RAID. I was suggesting you possibly buy
data center drives (which happen to be RAID capable) because they have
better specs, last longer and don't cost all that much more (as a
percentage of the complete system cost) than green drives. Either
drive family will likely work well for you. > Processor: i5 750
I tried to set up RAID1 and RAID0 with the 1TB version of the Green
drives you are listing and they simply didn't work well. A lot of
these Green Series drives park the heads quite quickly (to save power)
but unfortunately this causes them to wear out faster. They are I
think generally better suited for machines that aren't on all the time
or in heavy use. Watch your SMART data if you go that way.
Why 2 drives by the way? One for the system and the second for audio?
Note that these RAID drives do tend to be a bit more noisy, but not
terribly, and may consume more power so you'll likely need to do a bit
more noise control than with the green drives.
One drive for / and /home, one for backup and audio
The plan was not to go for RAID, but wait till the SSD gets cheaper...
I have no experience with RAID...
2:19 p.m.
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On Monday 13 September 2010 15:58:55 rosea grammostola wrote:
Do you guys backup only your /home folder and personal
files/
documents, or the root ( / ) system also?
I do backup the important parts of my home-folder.
And /etc, /usr/local/src (where my local svn-stuff is), /var/lib/mysql (where
my mysql-tables are) and some other important places.
Backing up whole '/' imho is only feasible a) if you really need to put the
system back up real fast by booting from a rescue-cd and restoring the backup
[*] or b) you have to keep the data and a system that can read it for several
years for legal reasons.
[*] Use a backup-program where "restore" is only a cp- or a tar-call.
rsnapshot has proven to be good here at my installations.
Have fun,
Arnold
2:44 p.m.
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On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:58 AM, rosea grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
Do you guys backup only your /home folder and personal files/
documents, or the root ( / ) system also?
\r
I back up /home, /audio, /var/lib/portage/world and /etc. On Gentoo
pretty much everything I need to recreate my setup is in /etc so
that's pretty easy. The world file on Gentoo is just a text list of
the apps I want installed. Portage can create a system from nothing
but that. However I need /etc/portage to get any machine specific
settings. All the other things like network configuration, etc., is
kept in /etc on my machines.
If you run mysql then back up databases as Arnold suggests.
Hope this helps,
Mark
2:55 p.m.
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Il giorno lun, 13/09/2010 alle 07.43 -0700, Mark Knecht ha scritto:
If you run mysql then back up databases as Arnold
suggests.
This is true, but may be you need to pay attention about online backup
of mysql files.
I'm not sure, but if you backup files of a running mysql database, the
restore of these backups may fails.
I read about mysql backup tecniques using cron to create a mysql backup
(using mysql internal commands:mysqldump and mysqlhotcopy) and then
backup the resulting offline files.
Ivan
3:10 p.m.
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Hi,
On Monday 13 September 2010 16:55:29 Ivan Tarozzi wrote:
Il giorno lun, 13/09/2010 alle 07.43 -0700, Mark
Knecht ha scritto:
My mysql is only used privately, basically no usage during the cron-backup-
run. And I can say from experience that this works. The backup can be brought
up again without problems. It might be a problem when mysql changes these files
during the buckup-run. But thats what the snapshot function of lvm is for...
If you run mysql then back up databases as Arnold
suggests.
This is true, but may be you need to pay attention about online backup
of mysql files.
I'm not sure, but if you backup files of a running mysql database, the
restore of these backups may fails. I read about mysql backup tecniques using cron to
create a mysql backup
(using mysql internal commands:mysqldump and mysqlhotcopy) and then
backup the resulting offline files.
That is possible too. With the lvm-snapshot you get backups from a certain
point in time. The techniques from mysql itself are afaik more targeted at
continuous live-backup preferable to a hot-standby machine. But I don't really
know the details here...
Have fun,
Arnold
5:03 p.m.
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:43:29 -0700
Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:58 AM, rosea grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
On my general purpose machine just /home
On my DAW /audio and /music (I keep 'construction' files separate from
finished tracks).
I also have printed step-by-step instructions on how to get my machines
back to my standard configuration.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
Do you guys backup only your /home folder and personal files/
documents, or the root ( / ) system also?
\r
I back up /home, /audio, /var/lib/portage/world and /etc. On Gentoo
pretty much everything I need to recreate my setup is in /etc so
that's pretty easy. The world file on Gentoo is just a text list of
the apps I want installed. Portage can create a system from nothing
but that. However I need /etc/portage to get any machine specific
settings. All the other things like network configuration, etc., is
kept in /etc on my machines.
If you run mysql then back up databases as Arnold suggests.
Hope this helps,
Mark
5:19 p.m.
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On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:43:29 -0700
Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote:
You have /music and /audio? Those are mounted harddrives?
\r
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:58 AM, rosea
grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
On my general purpose machine just /home
On my DAW /audio and /music (I keep 'construction' files separate from
finished tracks).
I also have printed step-by-step instructions on how to get my machines
back to my standard configuration.
Do you guys backup only your /home folder and personal files/
documents, or the root ( / ) system also?
\r
I back up /home, /audio, /var/lib/portage/world and /etc. On Gentoo
pretty much everything I need to recreate my setup is in /etc so
that's pretty easy. The world file on Gentoo is just a text list of
the apps I want installed. Portage can create a system from nothing
but that. However I need /etc/portage to get any machine specific
settings. All the other things like network configuration, etc., is
kept in /etc on my machines.
If you run mysql then back up databases as Arnold suggests.
Hope this helps,
Mark
20 Sep
20 Sep
10:10 p.m.
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 19:19:35 +0200
rosea grammostola <rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Folderol
<folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
Hmmm. I seem to be a bit slow responding!
/audio is on its own hard drive /music is a separate partition on the
main drive.
/music and /audio are backed up regularly and taken off site. The rest I
consider replaceable.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:43:29 -0700
Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote:
You have /music and /audio? Those are mounted harddrives?
\r On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:58 AM, rosea
grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
On my general purpose machine just /home
On my DAW /audio and /music (I keep 'construction' files separate from
finished tracks).
I also have printed step-by-step instructions on how to get my machines
back to my standard configuration.
Do you guys backup only your /home folder and personal files/
documents, or the root ( / ) system also?
\r
I back up /home, /audio, /var/lib/portage/world and /etc. On Gentoo
pretty much everything I need to recreate my setup is in /etc so
that's pretty easy. The world file on Gentoo is just a text list of
the apps I want installed. Portage can create a system from nothing
but that. However I need /etc/portage to get any machine specific
settings. All the other things like network configuration, etc., is
kept in /etc on my machines.
If you run mysql then back up databases as Arnold suggests.
Hope this helps,
Mark
14 Sep
14 Sep
8:33 a.m.
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rosea grammostola wrote:
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Arnold Krille
<arnold(a)arnoldarts.de> wrote:
Both on different schedules. Backup root (system) partition before doing
system updates.
Personal files each week.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
On Saturday 11 September 2010 17:09:23 Mark
Knecht wrote:
Do you guys backup only your /home folder and personal files/
documents, or the root ( / ) system also? On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:09 AM, rosea
grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Last "special data center"
hard-disks I bought failed on short before warranty
was over and the other shortly after warranty was over.
(No data lost as they announced their fail in smart. And the important stuff is
on raid1.)
Still I would go for two drives (and will so with my next machine). Get two
different drives and have a raid1 for the really important stuff. Why two
different? If you buy two of the exact same kind at exactly the same time, they
will also fail at the same time which reduces your data-security... And don't
try to tell me I am wrong, I've seen to many pairs of exactly-the-same drives
fail at the same time... On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Mark Knecht
<markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Processor: i5 750
> I tried to set up RAID1 and RAID0 with the 1TB version of the Green
> drives you are listing and they simply didn't work well. A lot of
> these Green Series drives park the heads quite quickly (to save power)
> but unfortunately this causes them to wear out faster. They are I
> think generally better suited for machines that aren't on all the time
> or in heavy use. Watch your SMART data if you go that way.
>
> Why 2 drives by the way? One for the system and the second for audio?
>
> Note that these RAID drives do tend to be a bit more noisy, but not
> terribly, and may consume more power so you'll likely need to do a bit
> more noise control than with the green drives.
One drive for / and /home, one for backup and audio
The plan was not to go for RAID, but wait till the SSD gets cheaper...
I have no experience with RAID...
I was not suggesting you use RAID. I was
suggesting you possibly buy
data center drives (which happen to be RAID capable) because they have
better specs, last longer and don't cost all that much more (as a
percentage of the complete system cost) than green drives. Either
drive family will likely work well for you.
16 Sep
16 Sep
6:57 a.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 10:37:26PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
On Saturday 11 September 2010 17:09:23 Mark Knecht
wrote:
Yeah, RAID stands for "Redudant Array of INEXPENSIVE Drives".
So, buying expensive drives would not be RAID, would it then? :-)
-ken
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:09 AM, rosea
grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Last "special data center" hard-disks I bought failed on short before warranty
was over and the other shortly after warranty was over.
(No data lost as they announced their fail in smart. And the important stuff is
on raid1.)
Still I would go for two drives (and will so with my next machine). Get two
different drives and have a raid1 for the really important stuff. Why two
different? If you buy two of the exact same kind at exactly the same time, they
will also fail at the same time which reduces your data-security... And don't
try to tell me I am wrong, I've seen to many pairs of exactly-the-same drives
fail at the same time... On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Mark Knecht
<markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I was not suggesting you use RAID. I was suggesting you possibly buy
data center drives (which happen to be RAID capable) because they have
better specs, last longer and don't cost all that much more (as a
percentage of the complete system cost) than green drives. Either
drive family will likely work well for you. > Processor: i5 750
I tried to set up RAID1 and RAID0 with the 1TB version of the Green
drives you are listing and they simply didn't work well. A lot of
these Green Series drives park the heads quite quickly (to save power)
but unfortunately this causes them to wear out faster. They are I
think generally better suited for machines that aren't on all the time
or in heavy use. Watch your SMART data if you go that way.
Why 2 drives by the way? One for the system and the second for audio?
Note that these RAID drives do tend to be a bit more noisy, but not
terribly, and may consume more power so you'll likely need to do a bit
more noise control than with the green drives.
One drive for / and /home, one for backup and audio
The plan was not to go for RAID, but wait till the SSD gets cheaper...
I have no experience with RAID...
10:28 a.m.
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On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 10:37:26PM +0200, Arnold
Krille wrote:
On silentpcreview they advise 2.5" notebook disks for desktop... It's
more silent it seems...
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article29-page2.html
\r
On Saturday 11 September 2010 17:09:23 Mark
Knecht wrote:
Yeah, RAID stands for "Redudant Array of INEXPENSIVE Drives".
So, buying expensive drives would not be RAID, would it then? :-)
-ken On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:09 AM, rosea
grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Last "special data center" hard-disks I bought failed on short before warranty
was over and the other shortly after warranty was over.
(No data lost as they announced their fail in smart. And the important stuff is
on raid1.)
Still I would go for two drives (and will so with my next machine). Get two
different drives and have a raid1 for the really important stuff. Why two
different? If you buy two of the exact same kind at exactly the same time, they
will also fail at the same time which reduces your data-security... And don't
try to tell me I am wrong, I've seen to many pairs of exactly-the-same drives
fail at the same time... On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Mark Knecht
<markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Processor: i5 750
>
> I tried to set up RAID1 and RAID0 with the 1TB version of the Green
> drives you are listing and they simply didn't work well. A lot of
> these Green Series drives park the heads quite quickly (to save power)
> but unfortunately this causes them to wear out faster. They are I
> think generally better suited for machines that aren't on all the time
> or in heavy use. Watch your SMART data if you go that way.
>
> Why 2 drives by the way? One for the system and the second for audio?
>
> Note that these RAID drives do tend to be a bit more noisy, but not
> terribly, and may consume more power so you'll likely need to do a bit
> more noise control than with the green drives.
One drive for / and /home, one for backup and audio
The plan was not to go for RAID, but wait till the SSD gets cheaper...
I have no experience with RAID...
I was not suggesting you use RAID. I was suggesting you possibly buy
data center drives (which happen to be RAID capable) because they have
better specs, last longer and don't cost all that much more (as a
percentage of the complete system cost) than green drives. Either
drive family will likely work well for you.
17 Sep
17 Sep
8:14 a.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
Ken Restivo wrote:
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 10:37:26PM +0200, Arnold
Krille wrote:
I've always her it was "Disks". ;-)
On Saturday 11 September 2010 17:09:23 Mark
Knecht wrote:
Yeah, RAID stands for "Redudant Array of INEXPENSIVE Drives". On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:09 AM, rosea
grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Last "special data center"
hard-disks I bought failed on short before warranty
was over and the other shortly after warranty was over.
(No data lost as they announced their fail in smart. And the important stuff is
on raid1.)
Still I would go for two drives (and will so with my next machine). Get two
different drives and have a raid1 for the really important stuff. Why two
different? If you buy two of the exact same kind at exactly the same time, they
will also fail at the same time which reduces your data-security... And don't
try to tell me I am wrong, I've seen to many pairs of exactly-the-same drives
fail at the same time... On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Mark Knecht
<markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Processor: i5 750
> I tried to set up RAID1 and RAID0 with the 1TB version of the Green
> drives you are listing and they simply didn't work well. A lot of
> these Green Series drives park the heads quite quickly (to save power)
> but unfortunately this causes them to wear out faster. They are I
> think generally better suited for machines that aren't on all the time
> or in heavy use. Watch your SMART data if you go that way.
>
> Why 2 drives by the way? One for the system and the second for audio?
>
> Note that these RAID drives do tend to be a bit more noisy, but not
> terribly, and may consume more power so you'll likely need to do a bit
> more noise control than with the green drives.
One drive for / and /home, one for backup and audio
The plan was not to go for RAID, but wait till the SSD gets cheaper...
I have no experience with RAID...
I was not suggesting you use RAID. I was
suggesting you possibly buy
data center drives (which happen to be RAID capable) because they have
better specs, last longer and don't cost all that much more (as a
percentage of the complete system cost) than green drives. Either
drive family will likely work well for you. So, buying expensive drives would not be RAID, would
it then? :-)
It would be the opposite of RAID: a SLED (Single Large Expensive Disk).
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
11 Sep
11 Sep
4:27 a.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:54 AM, rosea grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for all the info so far.
I have gathered some components:
Processor: i5 750
Heatsink: ?
MB: Asus P7P55D
Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB(2x2GB) PC3-10666
HDD: 2 x Western Digital WD5000AADS (Bulk, Caviar Green) (500GB)
Case: Antec SOLO
Fan: Nexus 120mm Real Silent case fan
DVD: Lite-On iHAS124 24xDVDRW
PSU: Seasonic S12II, 380Watt, ATX
Screen: Lenovo L1951p 19" or ThinkVision L197 19inch (1440x900) Wide
Flat Panel LCD (Analog/Digital) HDCP TCO 03,MPR-II
Comments are welcome.
OK, I brought up 2.6.33.7-rt29 tonight. It runs, but I am seeing some
video problems. However I'm not sure they are any worse than what I
see on 2.6.35-gentoo-r5. (The newest kernel) They seems to be related
to running firefox-bin (the 32-bit version) with the 32-bit version of
Flash so that I can watch Hulu. The platform basically works. I'm
running KDE with 2 screens, glxgears at about 1400FPS, Firefox-bin
running Hulu and a few other things. It works, but if I try to move
Firefox from one monitor to the other X completely crashes.
I do not, however, think that has anything to do with rt-sources as I
sometimes see the same thing running the Gentoo kernel with the Intel
video driver.
If I was building something new at this point I don't think I'd rely
in the built in graphics device and would probably choose Nvidia once
again. Intel graphics doesn't seem stable enough under Linux right now
to recommend. No problems under Windows, but Linux is sort of hosed.
- Mark
9:33 a.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:54 AM, rosea grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Mark for the test and info!
What do you guys think of the MB ASUS P7P55D (afaik it's works good
with M-audio at least).
@Kjetil, are you happy with the performance of your Hard disks?
\r
Hi,
Thanks for all the info so far.
I have gathered some components:
Processor: i5 750
Heatsink: ?
MB: Asus P7P55D
Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB(2x2GB) PC3-10666
HDD: 2 x Western Digital WD5000AADS (Bulk, Caviar Green) (500GB)
Case: Antec SOLO
Fan: Nexus 120mm Real Silent case fan
DVD: Lite-On iHAS124 24xDVDRW
PSU: Seasonic S12II, 380Watt, ATX
Screen: Lenovo L1951p 19" or ThinkVision L197 19inch (1440x900) Wide
Flat Panel LCD (Analog/Digital) HDCP TCO 03,MPR-II
Comments are welcome.
OK, I brought up 2.6.33.7-rt29 tonight. It runs, but I am seeing some
video problems. However I'm not sure they are any worse than what I
see on 2.6.35-gentoo-r5. (The newest kernel) They seems to be related
to running firefox-bin (the 32-bit version) with the 32-bit version of
Flash so that I can watch Hulu. The platform basically works. I'm
running KDE with 2 screens, glxgears at about 1400FPS, Firefox-bin
running Hulu and a few other things. It works, but if I try to move
Firefox from one monitor to the other X completely crashes.
I do not, however, think that has anything to do with rt-sources as I
sometimes see the same thing running the Gentoo kernel with the Intel
video driver.
If I was building something new at this point I don't think I'd rely
in the built in graphics device and would probably choose Nvidia once
again. Intel graphics doesn't seem stable enough under Linux right now
to recommend. No problems under Windows, but Linux is sort of hosed.
- Mark
1:30 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On 10 September 2010 17:54, rosea grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for all the info so far.
I have gathered some components:
Processor: i5 750
Heatsink: ?
MB: Asus P7P55D
Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB(2x2GB) PC3-10666
HDD: 2 x Western Digital WD5000AADS (Bulk, Caviar Green) (500GB)
Case: Antec SOLO
Fan: Nexus 120mm Real Silent case fan
DVD: Lite-On iHAS124 24xDVDRW
PSU: Seasonic S12II, 380Watt, ATX
Screen: Lenovo L1951p 19" or ThinkVision L197 19inch (1440x900) Wide
Flat Panel LCD (Analog/Digital) HDCP TCO 03,MPR-II
Comments are welcome.
You can see a review of the i5-750 with that MB at Techspot
http://www.techspot.com/review/193-intel-core-i5-750/ . BTW, you have
realised that the four core processors do not include a built in GPU ? You
will need a video card as well. The two core processors have the GPU, but
the four core one uses that space for the extra cores. I think this is
sensible because nobody is going to build a high performance machine and
then use on chip graphics, so the GPU would basically be wasted.
Fritz
7 Sep
7 Sep
8:33 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:03 AM, rosea grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The DH55HC for the i5-661 isn't as tweakable as my gaming oriented
Asus Rampage II Extreme for the i7-980. However the DH55HC has enough
features that the machine works. I don't even use most of what's on
the DH55HC MB - RAID, etc. It's just a very basic workhorse for me.
Again, at the time I did mine the only MB's that the integrated
graphics worked with were the Intel MBs. THis may have changed but
you'll have to read the Intel website to find out I think. Good luck
with that! ;-)
Someone - Ken maybe? - mentioned an issue with the integrated GFX
machines not working with the real-time kernel. That's a good point
and one I cannot speak to at the moment as I'm not running the
rt-kernel on that machine at this time. I could look into trying it
out, if I get some time, but it would likely be a week or two before I
could report anything back. I think the safest bet is probably NVidia,
but they also have problems at time with different kernels. Linux is
SUCH a crap-shoot when it comes to this stuff. There are never any
guarantees.
I have more faith in Gentoo getting around this sort of problem in a
timely manner. I don't know what folks using Fedora, Ubuntu or other
pre-packed binary distros do. I just brought up a Ubuntu PowerPC
machine I'm I'm already hitting little roadblocks on that machine.
You have a PS without fan? Most PS I see have a fan inside (120mm)
Good point on that. My older CoolerMaster cases are old designs so PS
on top. The newer CoolerMaster Cosmos is on the bottom which is nice,
although it was a bit more difficult (but not impossible) to do some
of the front switch wiring.
Cheers,
Mark
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
NO!!!!!! i3, i5 and i7 all have different pinouts. They are not
hardware compatible. What you build now is what you get. The most
you'll likely do over time is buy some more advanced i3. You'll likely
NEVER run an i7 in that machine, short of buying a new motherboard and
starting over.
Probably a good choice. Intel processors are able to handle more heat than
the ones from AMD.
Thanks for the info, great!
How hard is it to upgrade a processor later? I'm thinking of buying a i3
now, but like to be able to upgrade to a i7 later.
Most motherboards usually works, but Intel is generally less tweakable,
which could be important if you want a silent computer.
So then MSI or ASUS might be better. But is that working with the integrated
GPU?
Power:
When it comes to a power supply I was thinking about Enermax PRO82+ 385W.
I
heard that brand is good...
Yes, but also check out www.silentpcreview.com.
Bigger is more silent. bigger => colder => more silent.
That's why you have a midi tower and no mini tower I guess...
Another (extremly important) factor to look out for is that the PSU is
placed at the bottom of the case, and not anywhere near the CPU.
Antec, fractal design and coolermaster are some manufacturers
providing this design.
Thanks, I'll search for one.
8:41 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010, Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:03 AM, rosea grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'm pretty sure that's wrong. There are i3, i5 and i7 processors
available for the LGA1156 socket. Most i7 processors are made
for the LGA1366 socket though, but at least one is made for the
LGA1156 socket. I also think all i3 and i5 processors are made
for the LGA1156 socket.
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
NO!!!!!! i3, i5 and i7 all have different pinouts. They are not
hardware compatible. What you build now is what you get. The most
you'll likely do over time is buy some more advanced i3. You'll likely
NEVER run an i7 in that machine, short of buying a new motherboard and
starting over.
Probably a good choice. Intel processors are able to handle more heat than
the ones from AMD.
Thanks for the info, great!
How hard is it to upgrade a processor later? I'm thinking of buying a i3
now, but like to be able to upgrade to a i7 later.
8:51 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010, Mark Knecht wrote:
Well, the devil is _always_ in the details and since the details come
from the MB manufacturer that's where folks have to look.
For my Rampage II Extreme it only lists the i7 as compatible. (Core i7
(LGA1366))
The DH55HC does list all three of the current Intel core designs as
compatible, but it's a different i7
(Core i7 / i5 / i3 / Pentium (LGA1156))
so I stand corrected on that.
Of course, it's not only what the MB is designed for today, but it's
also what's available at the time you want to do the upgrade. There
might be _one_ i7-LGA1156 chip out there today, but will it be
available 18 months from when when the OP wants to do the upgrade?
I've built systems in the past where I thought I could do that only to
have Intel or AMD stop selling the upgraded chip (Core i7-LGA1156 in
this case) long before I decided to do it. I even looked around at
some sites that sell stuff that's no longer in production - they buy
the final production lots and sell to folks like us - but they wanted
so much money for the new processor that it made no sense to me to go
that way.
A good plan in the beginning but not executable when I wanted to do it later.
Cheers,
Mark
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:03 AM, rosea
grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'm pretty sure that's wrong. There are i3, i5 and i7 processors
available for the LGA1156 socket. Most i7 processors are made
for the LGA1366 socket though, but at least one is made for the
LGA1156 socket. I also think all i3 and i5 processors are made
for the LGA1156 socket.
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
NO!!!!!! i3, i5 and i7 all have different pinouts. They are not
hardware compatible. What you build now is what you get. The most
you'll likely do over time is buy some more advanced i3. You'll likely
NEVER run an i7 in that machine, short of buying a new motherboard and
starting over.
Probably a good choice. Intel processors are able to handle more heat
than
the ones from AMD.
Thanks for the info, great!
How hard is it to upgrade a processor later? I'm thinking of buying a i3
now, but like to be able to upgrade to a i7 later.
8:55 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yah, I looked here and it seems i3/i5/i7 are supported:
http://global.msi.eu/index.php?func=prodpage2&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=…
\r
I'm pretty
sure that's wrong. There are i3, i5 and i7 processors
available for the LGA1156 socket. Most i7 processors are made
for the LGA1366 socket though, but at least one is made for the
LGA1156 socket. I also think all i3 and i5 processors are made
for the LGA1156 socket.
Well, the devil is _always_ in the details and since the details come
from the MB manufacturer that's where folks have to look.
For my Rampage II Extreme it only lists the i7 as compatible. (Core i7
(LGA1366))
The DH55HC does list all three of the current Intel core designs as
compatible, but it's a different i7
(Core i7 / i5 / i3 / Pentium (LGA1156))
so I stand corrected on that.
8 Sep
8 Sep
11:25 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 01:28:52PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:03 AM, rosea grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The DH55HC for the i5-661 isn't as tweakable as my gaming oriented
Asus Rampage II Extreme for the i7-980. However the DH55HC has enough
features that the machine works. I don't even use most of what's on
the DH55HC MB - RAID, etc. It's just a very basic workhorse for me.
Again, at the time I did mine the only MB's that the integrated
graphics worked with were the Intel MBs. THis may have changed but
you'll have to read the Intel website to find out I think. Good luck
with that! ;-)
Someone - Ken maybe? - mentioned an issue with the integrated GFX
machines not working with the real-time kernel. That's a good point
and one I cannot speak to at the moment as I'm not running the
rt-kernel on that machine at this time. I could look into trying it
out, if I get some time, but it would likely be a week or two before I
could report anything back. I think the safest bet is probably NVidia,
but they also have problems at time with different kernels. Linux is
SUCH a crap-shoot when it comes to this stuff. There are never any
guarantees.
It was me, and AFAICT nobody answered that question either.
Neither I nor anyone I know can afford $US700+ for a "crap shoot". How can one
buy a system without knowing if the graphics chip works with RT kernel first? Surely there
must be some way to find out short of spending the money and then having to return it (or
switch distros).
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
NO!!!!!! i3, i5 and i7 all have different pinouts. They are not
hardware compatible. What you build now is what you get. The most
you'll likely do over time is buy some more advanced i3. You'll likely
NEVER run an i7 in that machine, short of buying a new motherboard and
starting over.
Probably a good choice. Intel processors are able to handle more heat than
the ones from AMD.
Thanks for the info, great!
How hard is it to?? upgrade a processor later? I'm thinking of buying a i3
now, but like to be able to upgrade to a i7 later.
Most motherboards usually works, but Intel is generally less tweakable,
which could be important if you want a silent computer.
So then MSI or ASUS might be better. But is that working with the integrated
GPU?
I have more faith in Gentoo getting around this sort of problem in a
timely manner. I don't know what folks using Fedora, Ubuntu or other
pre-packed binary distros do. I just brought up a Ubuntu PowerPC
machine I'm I'm already hitting little roadblocks on that machine.
You have a PS without fan? Most PS I see have a fan inside (120mm)
Good point on that. My older CoolerMaster cases are old designs so PS
on top. The newer CoolerMaster Cosmos is on the bottom which is nice,
although it was a bit more difficult (but not impossible) to do some
of the front switch wiring.
Cheers,
Mark
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Power:
When it comes to a power supply I was thinking about Enermax PRO82+ 385W.
I
heard that brand is good...
Yes, but also check out www.silentpcreview.com.
Bigger is more silent. bigger => colder => more silent.
That's why you have a midi tower and no mini tower I guess...
Another (extremly important) factor to look out for is that the PSU is
placed at the bottom of the case, and not anywhere near the CPU.
Antec, fractal design and coolermaster are some manufacturers
providing this design.
Thanks, I'll search for one.
11:54 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
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Ken,
I'm in the process of getting my i5-661/DH55HC up to date. When
that's done I'll reload the rt-sources kernel and give it a try.
Stay tuned.
- Mark
Someone - Ken maybe? - mentioned an issue with the integrated GFX
machines not working with the real-time kernel. That's a good point
and one I cannot speak to at the moment as I'm not running the
rt-kernel on that machine at this time. I could look into trying it
out, if I get some time, but it would likely be a week or two before I
could report anything back. I think the safest bet is probably NVidia,
but they also have problems at time with different kernels. Linux is
SUCH a crap-shoot when it comes to this stuff. There are never any
guarantees.
It was me, and AFAICT nobody answered that question either.
Neither I nor anyone I know can afford $US700+ for a "crap shoot". How can one
buy a system without knowing if the graphics chip works with RT kernel first? Surely there
must be some way to find out short of spending the money and then having to return it (or
switch distros).
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