5 Dec
2017
5 Dec
'17
10:43 p.m.
Hi all,
I'm looking for a piano keyboard
("midi master keyboard" I think it's called).
I'm looking for something with keys that feel
more or less like a real piano. I've seen several
models, some have real hammers inside. I wonder
if that's useful/necessary to emulate a piano touch.
I want 88 keys (standard piano) and USB connection.
I want something that I can plug into my computer
and that would work as a midi source more or less
out of the box with my Debian-based system.
(I can write some code, no problemo, I do it all the
time. I just need something compatible with linux.)
So, I would like to know if any of you, preferably
someone who knows and likes to play the (real) piano,
uses this kind of devices, and if yes what model you
use.
My main idea is to have a "portable piano" because I
can't afford the real beast, plus I need something I
can use at 2am without annoying neighbours. And I want
something of reasonable quality.
Thanks!
5 Dec
5 Dec
10:48 p.m.
If you don't mind vintage equipment, or having a hundred pound midi
controller, you could look for a used kurzweil midiboard. no usb,
obviously.
http://www.retrosynth.com/~analoguediehard/studio/keyboards/kurzweil_midibo…
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Cedric Roux <sed(a)free.fr> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm looking for a piano keyboard
("midi master keyboard" I think it's called).
I'm looking for something with keys that feel
more or less like a real piano. I've seen several
models, some have real hammers inside. I wonder
if that's useful/necessary to emulate a piano touch.
I want 88 keys (standard piano) and USB connection.
I want something that I can plug into my computer
and that would work as a midi source more or less
out of the box with my Debian-based system.
(I can write some code, no problemo, I do it all the
time. I just need something compatible with linux.)
So, I would like to know if any of you, preferably
someone who knows and likes to play the (real) piano,
uses this kind of devices, and if yes what model you
use.
My main idea is to have a "portable piano" because I
can't afford the real beast, plus I need something I
can use at 2am without annoying neighbours. And I want
something of reasonable quality.
Thanks!
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11:06 p.m.
Am 05.12.2017 um 22:46 schrieb Cedric Roux:
I'm looking for a piano keyboard
("midi master keyboard" I think it's called).
I'm looking for something with keys that feel
more or less like a real piano.
https://www.thomann.de/gb/studiologic_sl88_grand.htm
Anything with a Fatar TP-40 Wood keybed inside should fit your needs, I
think. The other differences between other models and brands basically
just come down to number of controllers, buttons and pedal jacks.
Another one to consider, with a more "classic" piano look:
https://www.thomann.de/gb/kawai_vpc1.htm
I actually have one of these:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/reviews/713495-studiologic-sl-990-pro.html
It's very basic, has only DIN MIDI, only sends on MIDI channel one, has
no release velocity and aftertouch and only a sustain pedal input, which
only supports one/off pedal, no half-pedalling. BUT, the keyboard is
basically the same as the more expensive models, apart from not having
the new-fangled "ivory touch" nonsense. I use it with Pianoteq (running
on Linux) all the time and it's sufficient for my needs (I'm not a pinao
virtuoso by any means, though).
I guess the follow-up model is this one:
https://www.thomann.de/gb/kawai_vpc1.htm
... which actually seems like a good offer to me.
But everybody has different tastes when it comes to the feel of
keyboards and I would tsronly advice you to go to a big music store and
try out as many models as you can.
HTH, Chris
11:21 p.m.
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 23:05:34 +0100
Christopher Arndt <chris(a)chrisarndt.de> wrote:
Am 05.12.2017 um 22:46 schrieb Cedric Roux:
'kinnel, that's about 2 years of my 'toys' spending in one gulp :o
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
I'm looking for a piano keyboard
("midi master keyboard" I think it's called).
I'm looking for something with keys that feel
more or less like a real piano.
https://www.thomann.de/gb/studiologic_sl88_grand.htm 
11:24 p.m.
On December 5, 2017 12:05:34 PM HST, Christopher Arndt <chris(a)chrisarndt.de> wrote:
Am 05.12.2017 um 22:46 schrieb Cedric Roux:
I'm a piano player. Looking at the Akai MPK88. I just want a piano feel and
aftertouch, some knobs and pads, no built in synthesis, without a ton of total weight for
the controller itself. Haven't tried one yet and the selection of MIDI controllers in
stores in Hawaii is practically nil. Hopefully the OP has better music stores in his
area!
Also have a Yamaha 90ES in the house. Feels just like a piano. Has DIN and USB but I
don't know how compatible it is on USB side. The manual says they only guarantee
compatibility with a short list of (older) devices. (Of course, it IS an old device.) I
don't think it supports aftertouch. It also weighs about 80 pounds without a stand,
being built of wood.
--
David W. Jones
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
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I'm looking for a piano keyboard
("midi master keyboard" I think it's called).
I'm looking for something with keys that feel
more or less like a real piano.
https://www.thomann.de/gb/studiologic_sl88_grand.htm
Anything with a Fatar TP-40 Wood keybed inside should fit your needs,
I
think. The other differences between other models and brands basically
just come down to number of controllers, buttons and pedal jacks.
Another one to consider, with a more "classic" piano look:
https://www.thomann.de/gb/kawai_vpc1.htm
I actually have one of these:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/reviews/713495-studiologic-sl-990-pro.html
It's very basic, has only DIN MIDI, only sends on MIDI channel one,
has
no release velocity and aftertouch and only a sustain pedal input,
which
only supports one/off pedal, no half-pedalling. BUT, the keyboard is
basically the same as the more expensive models, apart from not having
the new-fangled "ivory touch" nonsense. I use it with Pianoteq
(running
on Linux) all the time and it's sufficient for my needs (I'm not a
pinao
virtuoso by any means, though).
I guess the follow-up model is this one:
https://www.thomann.de/gb/kawai_vpc1.htm
... which actually seems like a good offer to me.
But everybody has different tastes when it comes to the feel of
keyboards and I would tsronly advice you to go to a big music store
and try out as many models as you can. 
11:54 p.m.
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 23:05:34 +0100
Christopher Arndt <chris(a)chrisarndt.de> wrote:
M-Audio Hammer 88 is half that price:
https://www.thomann.de/gb/m_audio_hammer_88.htm?sid=d3b1a427bbae58d2409415b…
I have the M-Audio Prokeys 88. It's real mechanic inside, I once
opened it. The touch is a bit harder than a quality piano though, but
the price was quite low. I'm used to it by now. M-Audio replaced the
Prokeys 88 by the Hammer 88. It could be worthwhile to read reviews
about the Hammer 88 since it might very well be the cheapest brand new
real touch USB MIDI controller out there. If price is a concern. On
the portability side, the Prokeys 88 does weigh 22kg. One would not
walk long distances with it, so to speak. The weight of the Hammer 88
is a bit less at 17.5 kg.
Here's the Sound on Sound review for the Prokeys 88. They describe it
as an incredible value for the money:
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/m-audio-prokeys-88
They have a review of the Hammer 88 but you have to pay for it. In the
USA the Hammer 88 sells for $399 on Amazon.
Here's the M-Audio Hammer 88 pitch on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__jcDD_V_Dw
Cheers.
11:57 p.m.
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:53:57 -0500
jonetsu <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
Here's the M-Audio Hammer 88 pitch on youtube:
And here's someone just playing on the Hammer 88:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgeEhGUg7Fo
6 Dec
6 Dec
3:12 p.m.
Christopher Arndt <chris(a)chrisarndt.de> writes:
I used to have one of these as well -- it's a cheap way of getting the
same Fatar keybed that a lot of more expensive keyboards (e.g. some of
the contemporary Nord Stage models) used. I found it very playable,
although it's definitely not a real piano.
I ended up replacing it with a fairly decent Yamaha digital piano that
came up very cheaply at my local auction house. This might be worth
considering as an option, particularly if you don't need portability --
a 15-year-old digital piano builtin sounds won't be as good as a modern
software synth, but if you just want to use it as a MIDI controller then
that's not a problem...
--
Adam Sampson <ats(a)offog.org> <http://offog.org/>
5 Dec
5 Dec
11:44 p.m.
I'm not a pro but I have played a lot of nice pianos in my youth, and I
really like my Kawai vpc1.
Thanks,
John
On Dec 5, 2017 4:43 PM, "Cedric Roux" <sed(a)free.fr> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm looking for a piano keyboard
("midi master keyboard" I think it's called).
I'm looking for something with keys that feel
more or less like a real piano. I've seen several
models, some have real hammers inside. I wonder
if that's useful/necessary to emulate a piano touch.
I want 88 keys (standard piano) and USB connection.
I want something that I can plug into my computer
and that would work as a midi source more or less
out of the box with my Debian-based system.
(I can write some code, no problemo, I do it all the
time. I just need something compatible with linux.)
So, I would like to know if any of you, preferably
someone who knows and likes to play the (real) piano,
uses this kind of devices, and if yes what model you
use.
My main idea is to have a "portable piano" because I
can't afford the real beast, plus I need something I
can use at 2am without annoying neighbours. And I want
something of reasonable quality.
Thanks!
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6 Dec
6 Dec
9:48 a.m.
[Cedric Roux]
I'm looking for a piano keyboard ("midi master
keyboard" I think it's
called). I'm looking for something with keys that feel more or less
like a real piano. I've seen several models, some have real hammers
inside. I wonder if that's useful/necessary to emulate a piano touch.
Yes, it is necessary. Also, the levers of real piano keys are a lot
longer than those commonly found in electronic keyboards. A shorter
lever means that touch becomes a lot less sensitive towards the back
of the key, closer to the fulcrum. Real piano keys also extend past
the fulcrum. Their total weight is balanced so it doesn't make them
harder to press, but it adds inertia, vital for consistent touch.
Doing a trill on a black and a white key close to the fulcrum end of
the keys quickly reveals shortcomings. Only on a well-constructed
keyboard will you be able to get an even result without straining your
fingers.
AFAICT, the least expensive option constructed almost like a proper
piano is the Kawai VPC, though I prefer the keyboard of their MP-11
myself (the former is firmer to the touch, more like a grand piano).
Cheers, Tim
12:44 p.m.
for whatever it's worth ,,,, my brother finds all the units with the Fatar
keybed "unacceptable" and paid (a lot more) for the doepfer hammer action
keyboard. The Fatar keybed is used by several manufacturers.
the m-audio keystation is NOT a weighted keyboard so if you're looking for
"real feel", those devices are not it. they are cheap and they do work
though :)
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:48 AM, Tim Goetze <tim(a)quitte.de> wrote:
[Cedric Roux]
I'm looking for a piano keyboard ("midi
master keyboard" I think it's
called). I'm looking for something with keys that feel more or less
like a real piano. I've seen several models, some have real hammers
inside. I wonder if that's useful/necessary to emulate a piano touch.
Yes, it is necessary. Also, the levers of real piano keys are a lot
longer than those commonly found in electronic keyboards. A shorter
lever means that touch becomes a lot less sensitive towards the back
of the key, closer to the fulcrum. Real piano keys also extend past
the fulcrum. Their total weight is balanced so it doesn't make them
harder to press, but it adds inertia, vital for consistent touch.
Doing a trill on a black and a white key close to the fulcrum end of
the keys quickly reveals shortcomings. Only on a well-constructed
keyboard will you be able to get an even result without straining your
fingers.
AFAICT, the least expensive option constructed almost like a proper
piano is the Kawai VPC, though I prefer the keyboard of their MP-11
myself (the former is firmer to the touch, more like a grand piano).
Cheers, Tim
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2:30 p.m.
On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 06:44:30 -0500
Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
the m-audio keystation is NOT a weighted keyboard so
if you're
looking for "real feel", those devices are not it. they are cheap and
they do work though :)
From M-Audio:
"At the heart of Hammer 88 are 88 velocity-sensitive, fully-weighted
hammer-action keys"
I have a Prokeys 88. It feels like the upright piano I had in my
youth. For my limited knowledge and experience, the 88 feels like a
piano. A bit more stiff, but I got used to it. I am not a piano
player, I play NONE of the classics, NONE of the jazz, NONE of the
pops. I only play my stuff. But I do play.
http://www.m-audio.com/hammer88
3:39 p.m.
keystation and hammer are not the same products. i was thinking of getting
the hammer when i bought the keystation 88 a few months ago, but it wasn't
yet available. it seems likely that m-audio are using a new keybed but it
wasn't clear ... it could just be the fatar again.
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:30 AM, jonetsu <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 06:44:30 -0500
Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
the m-audio keystation is NOT a weighted keyboard
so if you're
looking for "real feel", those devices are not it. they are cheap and
they do work though :)
From M-Audio:
"At the heart of Hammer 88 are 88 velocity-sensitive, fully-weighted
hammer-action keys"
I have a Prokeys 88. It feels like the upright piano I had in my
youth. For my limited knowledge and experience, the 88 feels like a
piano. A bit more stiff, but I got used to it. I am not a piano
player, I play NONE of the classics, NONE of the jazz, NONE of the
pops. I only play my stuff. But I do play.
http://www.m-audio.com/hammer88
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4:02 p.m.
On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 09:39:56 -0500
Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
> I have a Prokeys 88.
keystation and hammer are not the same products. i was
thinking of
getting the hammer when i bought the keystation 88 a few months ago,
but it wasn't yet available. it seems likely that m-audio are using a
new keybed but it wasn't clear ... it could just be the fatar again.
The Prokeys 88. As Musician's Friend puts it:
" ... with an 88-key graded hammer-action keyboard which provides a true
piano feel "
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/m-audio-prokeys-88-stage-pian…
M-Audio really erased the Prokeys 88 from their website as it's
replaced by the Hammer 88. It's not even found in the Legacy section.
As such, my description of the Hammer 88 based on the Prokeys 88
wouldn't be that far off at all.
2:35 p.m.
On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 09:48:35 +0100 (CET)
Tim Goetze <tim(a)quitte.de> wrote:
AFAICT, the least expensive option constructed almost
like a proper
piano is the Kawai VPC, though I prefer the keyboard of their MP-11
myself (the former is firmer to the touch, more like a grand piano).
M-Audio Hammer 88. $399 USD. €469 (France)
https://www.woodbrass.com/claviers-maitres-88-touches-m-audio-hammer-88-p25…
10:35 p.m.
On Wed, 6 Dec 2017, Tim Goetze wrote:
I have next to nothing to add, not being a piano player (well not much of
a keyboard player either to be honest) except to say it is interesting. I
personally prefer a "semi-weighted" kb such as the DX7 I have now, as it
does not get in the way of non-percusive playing while still allowing
reasonable percusive playing too. As I said I am not a piano player and so
having something that feels just like a piano is not something I find
desirable. I do understand piano players do want such a thing and find it
interesting what those qualities are.
A quick comment on the m-audio prokeys88. I do not like it's sounds (piano
or otherwise) and we have stopped using it because the microprocessor
inside sometimes wanders off and goes sleepwalking requiring shutdown
startup to get it back to earth. This could be just wear and tear, I
suspect (knowing the owner) it started life as a rental...
Piano sounds are another area. I would say any internal piano sounds seem
dead to me. In fact I would say the same about just about any sampled
sounds. I personally prefer emulated sounds even if they are not as
"accurate" such as some of the FM piano emulations as they have more life
to them and allow more expession on the players part. Piano tech seems to
be one of the best I have heard.
Better a real wurlitzer electric than a sampled piano.
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
like a real
piano. I've seen several models, some have real hammers
inside. I wonder if that's useful/necessary to emulate a piano touch.
Yes, it is necessary. Also, the levers of real piano keys are a lot
longer than those commonly found in electronic keyboards. A shorter
7 Dec
7 Dec
2:04 a.m.
On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 13:35:25 -0800 (PST)
Len Ovens <len(a)ovenwerks.net> wrote:
A quick comment on the m-audio prokeys88. I do not
like it's sounds
(piano or otherwise) and we have stopped using it because the
microprocessor inside sometimes wanders off and goes sleepwalking
requiring shutdown startup to get it back to earth. This could be
just wear and tear, I suspect (knowing the owner) it started life as
a rental...
I do not wire the audio outputs of my Prokeys 88. I used to like the
piano sound though, but since I got Pianoteq there's no comparison. I
only use the 88 as a controller and it"s nice to have that piano
feeling and range of notes when playing synths. No problem whatsoever
with it freezing up though.
6 Dec
6 Dec
9:26 p.m.
On Tuesday 05 December 2017, Cedric Roux wrote:
I'm looking for a piano keyboard
("midi master keyboard" I think it's called).
I'm looking for something with keys that feel
more or less like a real piano.
Surely not for everyones purse, but ...
http://flkeys.at/home.html
Have it, enjoy it.
Gerhard
10:32 p.m.
I'm looking for a piano keyboard
("midi master keyboard" I think it's called).
I'm looking for something with keys that feel
more or less like a real piano. I've seen several
models, some have real hammers inside. I wonder
if that's useful/necessary to emulate a piano touch.
I want 88 keys (standard piano) and USB connection.
the recent SL88 Grand has a good piano feel and nice functions with both USB and MIDI
plugs, plus a nice color TFT screen
the size is the best fit for 88 keys
http://www.studiologic-music.com/products/sl-grand/
Raphaël
8 Dec
8 Dec
10:41 a.m.
Thanks for your suggestions everyone.
It's not clear to me if you are piano players
or not, so it's difficult to have a conclusion.
Is there any regular piano player (say one hour per day)
using this kind of devices with a linux setup?
I'm looking for people playing classic music
(Beethoven, Chopin, Liszt, this kind of things).
If you fit, what do you think about midi master
keyboards? Do you use one of them to practice
your piano? And does it "feel" like the real
thing? Do you use it with joy, like "mmm, what to play
today? the piano or the midi keyboard?" Or is it more
like "oh, it's late, I can't play my piano, let me
switch to this inferior alternative for today,
hopefully tomorrow I'll come back from work earlier
and I'll have my full dose of fun with this horrible
prelude on the piano."
I realize how all this is very subjective,
but I think asking a pianist is the best I can
do; after all, a piano is just a human-made object,
there is no objective metrics to decide if it's
good or not, it's just a matter of taste in the end,
whatever "taste" could mean. So I guess even "toy"
keyboards can be enjoyable.
On 12/05/2017 10:46 PM, Cedric Roux wrote:
Hi all,
I'm looking for a piano keyboard
("midi master keyboard" I think it's called).
I'm looking for something with keys that feel
more or less like a real piano. I've seen several
models, some have real hammers inside. I wonder
if that's useful/necessary to emulate a piano touch.
I want 88 keys (standard piano) and USB connection.
I want something that I can plug into my computer
and that would work as a midi source more or less
out of the box with my Debian-based system.
(I can write some code, no problemo, I do it all the
time. I just need something compatible with linux.)
So, I would like to know if any of you, preferably
someone who knows and likes to play the (real) piano,
uses this kind of devices, and if yes what model you
use.
My main idea is to have a "portable piano" because I
can't afford the real beast, plus I need something I
can use at 2am without annoying neighbours. And I want
something of reasonable quality.
Thanks!
11:55 a.m.
[Cedric Roux]
I'm looking for people playing classic music
(Beethoven, Chopin, Liszt, this kind of things).
If you fit, what do you think about midi master
keyboards? Do you use one of them to practice
your piano? And does it "feel" like the real
thing? Do you use it with joy, like "mmm, what to play
today? the piano or the midi keyboard?"
I have practiced a couple of piano pieces from these composers for two
to three hours a day for a while both on a Motif ES8 (Yamaha standard
weighted hammer keyboard) and a Bechstein upright (plus two or three
stints on a Hamburg Steinway grand) and I can tell you it's possible
to play this stuff on any keyboard, but there's no way your output on
a cheap keyboard will be anywhere near the smoothness, fluency and
consistency you'll achieve on proper piano keys.
I have yet to find a digital piano setup that can fully recreate the
close connection a piano gives you to the music, and I'm not sure it's
even attainable with what the market offers at this time. It's not a
major problem though, the brain is quite good at bridging this gap.
As for the joy thing (my apologies for going out on a tangent),
whatever instrument I end up playing, if I don't enjoy it, I've found
it better not to play at all. Practice without joy will form a habit
of joyless performing.
Cheers, Tim
12:36 p.m.
Tim Goetze <tim-dbTVWpLIJp6zQB+pC5nmwQ(a)public.gmane.org> writes:
[Cedric Roux]
Playing (button) accordion here. My experience with digital ones is
that the dynamic reaction (in this case to bellows pressure rather than
key velocity) is both too little and too much. There is too much focus
on a change in _volume_ rather than sound quality. It does not feel
like the "expressivity" of a high quality instrument rather than a
pretty finicky volume control.
--
David Kastrup
I'm looking for people playing classic music
(Beethoven, Chopin, Liszt, this kind of things).
If you fit, what do you think about midi master
keyboards? Do you use one of them to practice
your piano? And does it "feel" like the real
thing? Do you use it with joy, like "mmm, what to play
today? the piano or the midi keyboard?"
I have practiced a couple of piano pieces from these composers for two
to three hours a day for a while both on a Motif ES8 (Yamaha standard
weighted hammer keyboard) and a Bechstein upright (plus two or three
stints on a Hamburg Steinway grand) and I can tell you it's possible
to play this stuff on any keyboard, but there's no way your output on
a cheap keyboard will be anywhere near the smoothness, fluency and
consistency you'll achieve on proper piano keys.
2:15 p.m.
On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Tim Goetze <tim(a)quitte.de> wrote:
I have yet to find a digital piano setup that can fully recreate the
close connection a piano gives you to the music, and I'm not sure it's
even attainable with what the market offers at this time. It's not a
major problem though, the brain is quite good at bridging this gap.
Have you ever tried the Doepfer keybed combined with Pianoteq ?
3:55 p.m.
[Paul Davis]
Have you ever tried the Doepfer keybed combined with
Pianoteq ?
The Doepfer I haven't been able to try but regardless of keyboard I
prefer the Pianoteq engine over all of the sampled pianos. There's
still a slight hint of incongruence between the physical interaction
and the sound synthesis when compared to the lever/hammer/string of a
real piano but it's easy to forget about this and just play.
12:38 p.m.
On 12/08/2017 04:44 AM, Cedric Roux wrote:
Is there any regular piano player (say one hour per
day)
using this kind of devices with a linux setup?
I'm looking for people playing classic music
(Beethoven, Chopin, Liszt, this kind of things).
Yes ... I practice daily, revisiting Debussy Arabesque I now, to be exact.
If you fit, what do you think about midi master
keyboards? Do you use one of them to practice
your piano? And does it "feel" like the real
thing? Do you use it with joy, like "mmm, what to play
today? the piano or the midi keyboard?" Or is it more
like "oh, it's late, I can't play my piano, let me
switch to this inferior alternative for today,
hopefully tomorrow I'll come back from work earlier
and I'll have my full dose of fun with this horrible
prelude on the piano."
More like: "I can't afford a 9' Steinway and really have no place to put
it if I could ..."
I currently have 3:
1) Yamaha Clavinova CLP series (older 511 model)
2) Yamaha S80
3) Korg SP170
The Korg is mainly used for notation input if I'm transcribing or
orchestrating something and sits close to my DAW but it has really nice
weight, feel and hammer action and I find myself going off on tangents
with it occasionally. Both the yamahas get extensive real-time play,
from practicing and improvisation to mundane tracking. The clavinova has
a usb-to-host connector that I never used, rather, I send all 3 MIDI
in/out to a midisport-4x4 (Korg only has out). The Clavinova is my main
instrument ... from the action and weight of the keys to its look and
feel, stability and even the notation stand--but it just isn't
comparable to an acoustic piano. I agree with Tim that there really is
nothing like playing a real piano. Nevertheless, I have thoroughly
enjoyed playing both yamahas for the last 15 (s80) - 20 years (clavinova).
My suggestion is to simply go to a few music stores and play, play, play
... Every chance I get I sit down at digital pianos in music stores to
test the new technology but nothing ever impresses me enough, beyond
what I already own, to lay out the cash.
Sorry for rambling ...
//
12:46 p.m.
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 10:44:23 +0100
Cedric Roux <sed(a)free.fr> wrote:
I realize how all this is very subjective,
but I think asking a pianist is the best I can
do; after all, a piano is just a human-made object,
there is no objective metrics to decide if it's
good or not, it's just a matter of taste in the end,
whatever "taste" could mean. So I guess even "toy"
keyboards can be enjoyable.
Very good perspective. However, many people know and feel what is a
hammer action from experience on regular pianos amd MIDI
controllers without playing one hour per day. Or playing one hour per
day of their own material and none of the classics. As such,
statistically you will get more choices of keyboards by including
everyone.
Cheers.
6:53 p.m.
On Fri, 2017-12-08 at 10:44 +0100, Cedric Roux wrote:
Thanks for your suggestions everyone.
It's not clear to me if you are piano players
or not, so it's difficult to have a conclusion.
Is there any regular piano player (say one hour per day)
using this kind of devices with a linux setup?
Hi,
I'll forward your request to a friend who is one of Germany's
best master class jazz piano players, http://achimjaroschek.com/music.ht
ml , he owns synth as well as at least one grand piano (sometimes he
owns more than one). He once mentioned a keyboard he likes very much,
that is used IIRC by a Kurzweil sample player and a few other keyboards.
I've forgotten the name, however, nothing will compare to a grand piano
keyboard, since it's possible to adjust those keyboards to the pianist's
wishes. I'm not aware of a keyboard that could be adjusted.
However, I'm not a piano player at all, but I guess there's no chance to
know if you like a keyboard or not, than testing the keyboard(s)
yourself. While I'm not a keyboarder, I'm sensitive to materials. For me
there's a big different between a very expensive named grand piano with
or without ivory keys. I'm not kidding. I'm playing disgusting bad piano
with or without ivory keys, but for me the tactile joy differs a lot :D.
Regards,
Ralf
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