20 Feb
2009
20 Feb
'09
3:56 p.m.
A quick question.
I'm on the road at the moment, and i've had to deal with a broken laptop.
(Which is now fixed, and i'm typing this on a colleague's computer.)
My problem is i have no net access for the laptop, so i'm reinstalling
everything with a constant transfer process with an install disk, and a usb
stick. (And i should say here i've installed Debian Lenny ppc, which worked
out of the box with no problems. Thanks to the debian team!)
My colleagues computer is Windows, so i don't want to install anything on
it, for fear of messing it up, or introducing, however unwittingly a virus,
or bug of some sort.
Is it possible to simply download (Save as..., for instance) from an up to
date cvs or svn build, to an isolated download file, then transfer the files
to my usb stick, without using CVS or SVN to do so?
I've got most things re-installed, but a couple of apps, and updates that
have been highly useful for me, are only available at the moment through
CVS, SVN, or Git.
Alex.
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20 Feb
20 Feb
4:24 p.m.
You could look around for snapshot builds for your distribution. There are
always those kind people that build a fresh package every morning and have
them lying somewhere on their FTP server.
If the CVS or SVN repository has an FTP or HTTP space you can access the
files anyway. However, if they're strictly by their own protocols then you
have to use a client offline or online (via Web interface if the site
chooses to offer one; WebSVN for Subversion for example).
There is no fear of anything with VCS tools. Security people install these
all the time:
http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/
http://www.tortoisecvs.org/
http://code.google.com/p/tortoisegit/
8:56 p.m.
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 05:24:58AM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote:
There is no fear of anything with VCS tools. Security
people install
these all the time:
Just to explain this further ... well known version control system tools
are usually maintained with more vigour than other tools, because they
are used for so many things. Security vulnerabilities get noticed,
fixed, and distributed. If you find a tool with no security fixes these
days, you begin to worry about whether anybody is noticing the
vulnerabilities that need fixing.
On the other hand, truly paranoid security people don't install these
tools on their most trusted systems.
For a musician's computer, if you can afford it then use a unit totally
separate to your regular computer, and don't do things on it that have a
security risk impact ... like online banking or purchasing.
Putting all your eggs in one basket can really teach you a lot, over
time.
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9:03 p.m.
James, you're right on the seperate computers bit, something i've been doing
for a long time now. The point about the safe install is valid, but this is
a colleague's computer, and i'm not so desperate to update the laptop, as to
start installing stuff on someone else's pc. (Might seem weird to some, but
i'd consider that......impolite.) My question was one of curiosity if CVS or
SVN based repos could be simply D/L as a snapshot build, i.e., tarball, as
Ray wisely pointed out.
The advice you give about control system tools is certainly useful to know
though, so thanks for sharing.
Alex.
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 3:56 AM, James Cameron <quozl(a)us.netrek.org> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 05:24:58AM +0800, Ray Rashif
wrote:
--
Parchment Studios (It started as a joke...)
There is no fear of anything with VCS tools.
Security people install
these all the time:
Just to explain this further ... well known version control system tools
are usually maintained with more vigour than other tools, because they
are used for so many things. Security vulnerabilities get noticed,
fixed, and distributed. If you find a tool with no security fixes these
days, you begin to worry about whether anybody is noticing the
vulnerabilities that need fixing.
On the other hand, truly paranoid security people don't install these
tools on their most trusted systems.
For a musician's computer, if you can afford it then use a unit totally
separate to your regular computer, and don't do things on it that have a
security risk impact ... like online banking or purchasing.
Putting all your eggs in one basket can really teach you a lot, over
time.
--
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9:49 p.m.
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 04:03:05AM +0200, alex stone wrote:
My question was one of curiosity if CVS or SVN based
repos could be
simply D/L as a snapshot build, i.e., tarball, as Ray wisely pointed
out.
CVS, uses a non-HTTP connection, or SSH, so a repository cannot be
downloaded using a web browser. But there exist CVS hosting services
that provide HTTP access to the reference sandbox, or tarballs. The
cvsweb package for example can be used to do this, but it has to run on
the CVS server.
SVN, can operate over its own non-HTTP connection, or SSH, or using
WebDAV over HTTP, but it depends on what the hosting service has
enabled. Again, some SVN hosting services provide plain file HTTP
access to the repository, and some projects provide snapshot tarballs.
If you find yourself often running code from projects via CVS or SVN,
because what you need is not yet released, then urge the project to
release more often. You can do this by volunteering to test releases.
(If you're a release engineer reading this, and you're saying "no, a
release is a complex and difficult task, it can take days" ... you
*can* release in 30 seconds if you invest in the scripting, and remove
steps from the release process that are not needed in beta versions.
I'm happy to take questions on how to streamline software release
methods ... but you have to have a documented method to start with. I'm
release engineer for pptp, pptpd, netrek, and a few other things).
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4:43 p.m.
alex stone a écrit :
A quick question.
Is it possible to simply download (Save as..., for instance) from an up
to date cvs or svn build, to an isolated download file, then transfer
the files to my usb stick, without using CVS or SVN to do so?
I've got most things re-installed, but a couple of apps, and updates
that have been highly useful for me, are only available at the
moment through CVS, SVN, or Git.
Alex.
some projects have browsable git through http with a link such as
"snapshot [tar.gz]" which gives you a tarball of the browsed branch.
this may be what you need... but not all projects have such a feature.
5:55 p.m.
Thanks for the tips fellas. I'm still shy of installing anything here, so
i'll do a browse in google, and see what i can find.
Alex.
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:43 PM, ben <brouits(a)free.fr> wrote:
alex stone a écrit :
--
Parchment Studios (It started as a joke...)
A quick question.
Is it possible to simply download (Save as..., for instance) from an up
to date cvs or svn build, to an isolated download file, then transfer
the files to my usb stick, without using CVS or SVN to do so?
I've got most things re-installed, but a couple of apps, and updates
that have been highly useful for me, are only available at the
moment through CVS, SVN, or Git.
Alex.
some projects have browsable git through http with a link such as
"snapshot [tar.gz]" which gives you a tarball of the browsed branch.
this may be what you need... but not all projects have such a feature.
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21 Feb
3:31 a.m.
alex stone wrote:
A quick question.
I'm on the road at the moment, and i've had to deal with a broken
laptop. (Which is now fixed, and i'm typing this on a colleague's computer.)
My problem is i have no net access for the laptop, so i'm reinstalling
everything with a constant transfer process with an install disk, and a
usb stick. (And i should say here i've installed Debian Lenny ppc, which
worked out of the box with no problems. Thanks to the debian team!)
My colleagues computer is Windows, so i don't want to install anything
on it, for fear of messing it up, or introducing, however unwittingly a
virus, or bug of some sort.
Is it possible to simply download (Save as..., for instance) from an up
to date cvs or svn build, to an isolated download file, then transfer
the files to my usb stick, without using CVS or SVN to do so?
I've got most things re-installed, but a couple of apps, and updates
that have been highly useful for me, are only available at the
moment through CVS, SVN, or Git.
Hmmm, maybe use your friend's Windows 'puter to download a live CD/DVD
version of your Linux distro, boot your laptop from it, then install?
--
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3:44 a.m.
David, already done that. It's the apps that aren't on the disk, or for
which updated versions offer functions i use often, is the reason i ask the
question.
Alex.
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:29 AM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
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alex stone wrote:
--
Parchment Studios (It started as a joke...)
A quick question.
I'm on the road at the moment, and i've had to deal with a broken
laptop. (Which is now fixed, and i'm typing this on a colleague's
computer.)
My problem is i have no net access for the
laptop, so i'm reinstalling
everything with a constant transfer process with an install disk, and a
usb stick. (And i should say here i've installed Debian Lenny ppc, which
worked out of the box with no problems. Thanks to the debian team!)
My colleagues computer is Windows, so i don't want to install anything
on it, for fear of messing it up, or introducing, however unwittingly a
virus, or bug of some sort.
Is it possible to simply download (Save as..., for instance) from an up
to date cvs or svn build, to an isolated download file, then transfer
the files to my usb stick, without using CVS or SVN to do so?
I've got most things re-installed, but a couple of apps, and updates
that have been highly useful for me, are only available at the
moment through CVS, SVN, or Git.
Hmmm, maybe use your friend's Windows 'puter to download a live CD/DVD
version of your Linux distro, boot your laptop from it, then install?
--
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4:09 a.m.
OK. Only reason I mentioned it is that a few weeks ago, I reinstalled
Lenny on my server, and noticed that the whole Debian shebang can be
downloaded as 5 DVD images. That would provide the entire Debian
repository on disk.
A thought for the future: download the packages/tarballs/etc you need,
put them all on CD/DVD, keep handy?
Another thought: make an image of your system partition, put it on
CD/DVD, install any basic Linux distro on a rump partition at the end of
the drive, boot from that, then restore the image to the main partition?
A question: Why no net access for the laptop? Can't borrow your friend's
connection?
alex stone wrote:
David, already done that. It's the apps that
aren't on the disk, or for
which updated versions offer functions i use often, is the reason i ask
the question.
Alex.
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:29 AM, david wrote:
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alex stone wrote:
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David
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authenticity, honesty, community
A quick question.
I'm on the road at the moment, and i've had to deal with a broken
laptop. (Which is now fixed, and i'm typing this on a colleague's
computer.)
My problem is i have no net access for the
laptop, so i'm
reinstalling
everything with a constant transfer process with
an install disk,
and a
usb stick. (And i should say here i've
installed Debian Lenny
ppc, which
worked out of the box with no problems. Thanks to
the debian team!)
My colleagues computer is Windows, so i don't want to install
anything
on it, for fear of messing it up, or introducing,
however
unwittingly a
virus, or bug of some sort.
Is it possible to simply download (Save as..., for instance) from
an up
to date cvs or svn build, to an isolated download
file, then transfer
the files to my usb stick, without using CVS or SVN to do so?
I've got most things re-installed, but a couple of apps, and updates
that have been highly useful for me, are only available at the
moment through CVS, SVN, or Git.
Hmmm, maybe use your friend's Windows 'puter to download a live CD/DVD
version of your Linux distro, boot your laptop from it, then install? 
22 Feb
22 Feb
12:56 p.m.
alex stone wrote:
My problem is i have no net access for the laptop, so
i'm reinstalling
everything with a constant transfer process with an install disk, and a usb
stick. (And i should say here i've installed Debian Lenny ppc, which worked
A USB Ethernet adapter is, what... US$30? In the past, I've been known to spend
HOURS trying to invent a Rube Goldberg scheme
(serial-to-morse-code-to-serial-to-ethernet chain) to avoid spending $30. I
usually regret it (and my family *always* regrets it).
Just a suggestion... now on to what you asked....
Is it possible to simply download (Save as..., for
instance) from an up to
date cvs or svn build, to an isolated download file, then transfer the files
to my usb stick, without using CVS or SVN to do so?
YMMV on installing CVS, SVN, or Git on a USB stick... but it seems plausible to
do. I often have PuTTy installed on a USB stick so that I can SSH from any
Windows computer without having to install software.
1. Subversion
=============
SVN has an export feature that you could use to download the latest copy.
C:\> E:\bin\svn export http://path-to-repo/project/trunk E:\data\project
To grab a specific revision, I think the syntax is:
C:\> E:\bin\svn export -r 666 http://path-to-repo/project/trunk E:\data\project
Alternatively, you could have a working copy on the stick:
C:\> E:
E:\> cd data\project
E:\> E:\bin\svn up
I've never tried to install Subversion on a USB drive. Last time I downloaded
the Windows version of Subversion, Collab.net appears to be doing stuff like
asking for registration information, and offering a limited set of packages and
install methods.
2. Git
======
Git has a great deal of support for offline usage. There's also a git-svn
connect that provides a bidirectional connection to a Subversion repository.
Also, if the server supports it, you can export any revision to a tarball using
'git archive --remote'. There's also a command called 'git bundle'
that is
designed for exactly this sort of incremental and off-line updates.
However, getting Git installed on Windows is a chore... especially if you're
trying to install it to a USB stick.
Using Git with Mingw on Windows, watch out for repositories that (when
compressed) approach 2GB. (Not typical for a coding project, though.)
3. CVS
======
Messs hatessses CcccceeeVeeeeSssssss.
4. PuTTy
========
If you have shell access to some other computer (a university account, a
friend's server, whatever)... you could much more easily set this stuff up.
When you want to update things and download them, you can do it via SSH using
PuTTY and PSFTP -- which I have installed on a USB drive very successfully.
HTH,
Gabriel
2:35 p.m.
I'll be home in a few days, so no hassle, but i've kept a note of all the
tips and tricks. It may be a good idea to do a bootable usb stick, and take
that instead. Seems to be a solution for not only updates, but emergency
boot as well.
Thanks for all the info and advice fellas.
Alex.
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Gabriel M. Beddingfield <gabriel(a)teuton.org
wrote:
alex stone wrote:
--
Parchment Studios (It started as a joke...)
My problem is i have no net access for the
laptop, so i'm reinstalling
everything with a constant transfer process with an install disk, and a
usb
stick. (And i should say here i've installed
Debian Lenny ppc, which
worked
A USB Ethernet adapter is, what... US$30? In the past, I've been known to
spend
HOURS trying to invent a Rube Goldberg scheme
(serial-to-morse-code-to-serial-to-ethernet chain) to avoid spending $30.
I
usually regret it (and my family *always* regrets it).
Just a suggestion... now on to what you asked....
Is it possible to simply download (Save as...,
for instance) from an up
to
date cvs or svn build, to an isolated download
file, then transfer the
files
to my usb stick, without using CVS or SVN to do
so?
YMMV on installing CVS, SVN, or Git on a USB stick... but it seems
plausible to
do. I often have PuTTy installed on a USB stick so that I can SSH from any
Windows computer without having to install software.
1. Subversion
=============
SVN has an export feature that you could use to download the latest copy.
C:\> E:\bin\svn export http://path-to-repo/project/trunk E:\data\project
To grab a specific revision, I think the syntax is:
C:\> E:\bin\svn export -r 666 http://path-to-repo/project/trunkE:\data\project
Alternatively, you could have a working copy on the stick:
C:\> E:
E:\> cd data\project
E:\> E:\bin\svn up
I've never tried to install Subversion on a USB drive. Last time I
downloaded
the Windows version of Subversion, Collab.net appears to be doing stuff
like
asking for registration information, and offering a limited set of packages
and
install methods.
2. Git
======
Git has a great deal of support for offline usage. There's also a git-svn
connect that provides a bidirectional connection to a Subversion
repository.
Also, if the server supports it, you can export any revision to a tarball
using
'git archive --remote'. There's also a command called 'git bundle'
that is
designed for exactly this sort of incremental and off-line updates.
However, getting Git installed on Windows is a chore... especially if
you're
trying to install it to a USB stick.
Using Git with Mingw on Windows, watch out for repositories that (when
compressed) approach 2GB. (Not typical for a coding project, though.)
3. CVS
======
Messs hatessses CcccceeeVeeeeSssssss.
4. PuTTy
========
If you have shell access to some other computer (a university account, a
friend's server, whatever)... you could much more easily set this stuff up.
When you want to update things and download them, you can do it via SSH
using
PuTTY and PSFTP -- which I have installed on a USB drive very successfully.
HTH,
Gabriel
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