16 Mar
2013
16 Mar
'13
12:49 a.m.
If I play a MP3 with
$ pacman -Q vlc
vlc 2.0.5-4
by jack and the volume is set to 100%, I hear and see clipping in
hdspmixer. It goes up to 0 dBFS at around 90%. FWIW the volume can be
increased up to 200%.
Anybody experiencing the same on (what distro ever)?
16 Mar
16 Mar
9:04 p.m.
Il 16/03/2013 00:48, Ralf Mardorf ha scritto:
If I play a MP3 with
$ pacman -Q vlc
vlc 2.0.5-4
by jack and the volume is set to 100%, I hear and see clipping in
hdspmixer. It goes up to 0 dBFS at around 90%. FWIW the volume can be
increased up to 200%.
Anybody experiencing the same on (what distro ever)?
I can't hear any clipping here (Debian testing) and
VLC media player 2.0.5 Twoflower (revision 2.0.5-0-g1661b7d)
Of course the sound is distorted if I push up the volume, but no clipping.
I don't know how to see the volume levels in real time...
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Federico
9:38 p.m.
On Sat, 2013-03-16 at 21:05 +0100, Federico Bruni wrote:
Il 16/03/2013 00:48, Ralf Mardorf ha scritto:
Julien send me a MP3 of a modern pop song, so I guess the MP3 did reach
0dbFS, I didn't check it and I already deleted the file. However, it
can't be more than 0dBFS, so I expect that at 100% it should be +- 0dB
and shouldn't cause clipping. If you push it up to > 100% than clipping
would cause distortion, that's ok. However, IMO something is fishy, if I
need to decrease it to around 90%. I've got meters provided by
hdspmixer.
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If I play a MP3 with
$ pacman -Q vlc
vlc 2.0.5-4
by jack and the volume is set to 100%, I hear and see clipping in
hdspmixer. It goes up to 0 dBFS at around 90%. FWIW the volume can be
increased up to 200%.
Anybody experiencing the same on (what distro ever)?
I can't hear any clipping here (Debian testing) and
VLC media player 2.0.5 Twoflower (revision 2.0.5-0-g1661b7d)
Of course the sound is distorted if I push up the volume, but no clipping.
I don't know how to see the volume levels in real time... 
11:47 p.m.
I have seen this as well, and thus keep my VLC player lower on my machine.
Seablade
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net>wrote;wrote:
On Sat, 2013-03-16 at 21:05 +0100, Federico Bruni
wrote:
Il 16/03/2013 00:48, Ralf Mardorf ha scritto:
clipping.
If I play a MP3 with
$ pacman -Q vlc
vlc 2.0.5-4
by jack and the volume is set to 100%, I hear and see clipping in
hdspmixer. It goes up to 0 dBFS at around 90%. FWIW the volume can be
increased up to 200%.
Anybody experiencing the same on (what distro ever)?
I can't hear any clipping here (Debian testing) and
VLC media player 2.0.5 Twoflower (revision 2.0.5-0-g1661b7d)
Of course the sound is distorted if I push up the volume, but no I don't know how to see the volume levels in
real time...
Julien send me a MP3 of a modern pop song, so I guess the MP3 did reach
0dbFS, I didn't check it and I already deleted the file. However, it
can't be more than 0dBFS, so I expect that at 100% it should be +- 0dB
and shouldn't cause clipping. If you push it up to > 100% than clipping
would cause distortion, that's ok. However, IMO something is fishy, if I
need to decrease it to around 90%. I've got meters provided by
hdspmixer.
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11:48 p.m.
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
If I play a MP3 with
$ pacman -Q vlc
vlc 2.0.5-4
by jack and the volume is set to 100%, I hear and see clipping in
hdspmixer. It goes up to 0 dBFS at around 90%. FWIW the volume can be
increased up to 200%.
Anybody experiencing the same on (what distro ever)?
Same distribution, same vlc-version, no clipping (checked with jkmeter).
made a test file with a 30 Hz sine, range -1...1, in 16 bit wav format.
generated in pd, recorded with
$ jack_capture --bitdepth 16 --channels 2 --port system:playback_1
--port system:playback_2 30Hz.wav
At 100% volume in vlc, jkmeter shows a peak value of -0.0, just as expected.
Needless to say, but also jaaa/my ears didn't exhibit any indication of
clipping-induced HF content (which clearly shows up at >100%).
During the journey, I found in vlc:
Tools -> Preferences -> Audio -> Replay Gain mode.
That one should probably be set to the default 'none'.
best,
d
17 Mar
17 Mar
12:10 a.m.
On Sat, 2013-03-16 at 23:48 +0100, David Adler wrote:
Same distribution, same vlc-version, no clipping
(checked with jkmeter).
IIUC jkmeter isn't a dBFS meter. Or can you set a switch to use it as
dBFS meter?
Tools -> Preferences -> Audio -> Replay Gain
mode.
That one should probably be set to the default 'none'.
It is.
On Sat, 2013-03-16 at 18:47 -0400, Thomas Vecchione wrote:
I have seen this as well, and thus keep my VLC player
lower on my
machine.
Than it's seemingly a "consumer device feature", aka bug.
It's not a serious issue for me, it's just that I prefer not to have a
chain of unneeded controls, so I try to set controls for media players
to behave neutral. In the past I used media players that claimed to
bypass an EQ, but there still was equalisation.
Regards,
Ralf
12:58 a.m.
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
One other thing that comes to mind: I used vlc's jack output.
Lacking hdspmixer, I can't see levels with Alsa.
On Sat, 2013-03-16 at 23:48 +0100, David Adler wrote:
jkmeter displays the digital peak value as a number (in dBFS, I assume).
That one I used to check whether vlc's output exceeds the {-1...1} range.
Same distribution, same vlc-version, no clipping
(checked with jkmeter).
IIUC jkmeter isn't a dBFS meter. Or can you set a switch to use it as
dBFS meter? Tools ->
Preferences -> Audio -> Replay Gain mode.
That one should probably be set to the default 'none'.
It is. 
1:07 a.m.
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:58:36AM +0100, David Adler wrote:
jkmeter displays the digital peak value as a number
(in dBFS, I assume).
Correct. Peak values are displayed graphically as well
(the white dots). The scale marks are offset w.r.t. FS,
but the end (either +20 or +12 dB) is FS.
Ciao,
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