Robin Gareus <robin(a)gareus.org> writes: Including U.S. keyboard layout? While I'll admit that I am used to it since my ADM-3A years, I consider it sort-of extreme to prescribe that as a choice. It's usually annoying enough for people that BIOS setup screens come before keyboard layout selection, but for a whole work session that seems a bit extreme. -- David Kastrup

Sorry Ralph, I have to hit Reply All to reply to the list and I know you don't like that, but otherwise Hotmail replies to you in isolation and not the list! ________________________________ From: Linux-audio-user &lt;linux-audio-user-bounces(a)lists.linuxaudio.org&gt; on behalf of Ralf Mardorf &lt;ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net&gt; Sent: 22 July 2018 15:49 To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org Subject: Re: [LAU] AVL2018 first impressions On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 17:41:49 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I suspect the dpkg-reconfigure hint won't work for you. There must be a setting for your user session, that does not require a password, to change the keyboard layout for the user session. Perhaps the log in screen does provide a language setting. Or how about http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2013/11/how-to-configure-keyboard-layouts-in-… <http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2013/11/how-to-configure-keyboard-layouts-in-xfce-cinnamon-mate.html> <http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2013/11/how-to-configure-keyboard-layouts-in-xfce-cinnamon-mate.html> I reconfigured the keyboard layout, that was in the Settings at least, but not the Locale for the other settings (and would have automatically set this if it asked during the install phase.) As the keys gives the right result in xfce4-terminal I'm pretty sure the keys were working with the characters I expected, it would be rather weird for one window to use one charset and another window a different one when I have deleted the original charset so only one exists for the keyboard I actually have.... Dale. _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user

I really should reinstall an email client, it's always hard to get it nicely readable from the web client. Sorry guys.... Sometimes it's even intended that an app does use another keymap. I'm using the English language for everything computer related, excepted of a German keyboard. ... When using Ubuntu flavour Live DVDs I often experience that while using a terminal, for obviously no reason, the de keyboard layout gets changed to the us keyboard layout. IOW within the same window, while typing, the keyboard layout changes from one line to the next line. All the letters, number and special characters used in my password are the same between the US and the UK keyboard so it would make no difference if the window is seeing the default setting or what I changed it to. Do the GUIs ask for the root or user password? On my installs "su" as well as "sudo" grant root privileges, but for "su" another password is used, than for "sudo" (at least without an option to change the user ;). Graphical apps could use gksu, gksudo or similar. I didn't set up a separate root password to my admin user one. But I tried both mine and the default admin/root password as per the AVL manual and nether worked. (In truth I don't think I would ever use anything there as it's mostly update things I would do from the terminal I just happened to come across it as the button looked the same as the main Settings button.) Regards, Dale. ________________________________ From: Linux-audio-user &lt;linux-audio-user-bounces(a)lists.linuxaudio.org&gt; on behalf of Ralf Mardorf &lt;ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net&gt; Sent: 22 July 2018 16:31 To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org Subject: Re: [LAU] AVL2018 first impressions On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 15:56:11 +0000, Dale Powell wrote: Sometimes it's even intended that an app does use another keymap. I'm using the English language for everything computer related, excepted of a German keyboard. If I use a calculator, I expect the calculator fixes the "," of the German num pad. The "," on the num pad should become a ".", the "," and "." on the other part of the keyboard should remain unchanged. Some good Linux calculators are doing this, a lot of calculators that belong to a desktop environment, don't do this. When using Ubuntu flavour Live DVDs I often experience that while using a terminal, for obviously no reason, the de keyboard layout gets changed to the us keyboard layout. IOW within the same window, while typing, the keyboard layout changes from one line to the next line. Do the GUIs ask for the root or user password? On my installs "su" as well as "sudo" grant root privileges, but for "su" another password is used, than for "sudo" (at least without an option to change the user ;). Graphical apps could use gksu, gksudo or similar. _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user

Thanks for the reply Glen. I saw your reply to the forum thread but I've not had a chance to try yet. Will do my best to give it a go today and will reply in the forum. I have alerts set up for that thread so will see any subsequent replies but sorry if my response isn't immediate. (But I also don't read here every day either.) Yes I just missed the note stating that you need the username and password for installing, I just wasn't expecting it, I had downloaded a few days/weeks before getting around to installing and it's not something I usually expect to see. Then unfortunately due to your SEO it took me longer to find the correct information than it really should have done, I actually think it might have been quicker to reboot my other install and check in the saved manual I have there and reboot than it took me to find the information with a web search! No comment on how the gui based updaters etc all fail to recognise the admin password? Version is isotester-avl64-2018.6.25 so definitely one you say should be designed to be kept up to date so seems strange this shouldn't work... (Although as I said I found that by accident as I'd usually do it all manually from the terminal.) Sorry if it seemed I was belittling or criticising your work. I appreciate anybody who puts the effort into providing distributions or software for the community, it takes a lot of effort and time and is obviously a work of love on the whole. Maybe my wording was a little harsh and if so please accept my apology. Kind regards, Dale. ________________________________ From: Glen MacArthur &lt;info(a)bandshed.net&gt; Sent: 23 July 2018 15:29 To: Dale Powell; linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org Subject: Re: [LAU] AVL2018 first impressions Hi, I'm Glen the maintainer of AVL.. Uhm yes, lots of people use it and some are even slightly happy with it...: b I don't know where you downloaded from but most of the preliminary info you've missed is all on the actual project website, any posts by me about releases will always point to the website: http://www.bandshed.net/avlinux/ All info about passwords and secure checksums are found there. As stated on the site, AV Linux is created with 'Systemback' and therefore requires the username and password to login, I'm not a 'proper' developer or Linux guru of any kind, I work full time (and then some in the summer months) in a business that has absolutely nothing to do with computers and I'm also a part-time musician and studio owner, AV Linux is totally a spare time project and they ain't making any more spare time! : ). I've used Linux for music production for more than a decade and merely am trying to share a working system with the 3rd party tools at hand. As with any project spread over (literally) thousands of users some people will have flawless installs and superlative hardware support and others will wonder aloud how could anyone possibly use such a piece of crap... The web is full of forums with popular projects that echo the same diversity of experience. As for the touchpad issue try commenting out "options psmouse proto=imps" in /etc/modprobe.d/ reboot and see if that changes anything. That is the only customization relating to touchpads in AV Linux, other than that any web seaches on touchpads in Debian Linux should shed some light. AV Linux is simply Debian Stretch with a custom Kernel and a layer of customization relating to Audio production and system tweaks.. Also please join the AV Linux forum here: http://bandshed.net/forum/index.php I don't check LAU regularly and just happened to see this today, also answers on the forum are dictated by the volunteer availability of myself and other users and it's summer holidays in the northern hemisphere so be patient for answers.. Lastly rgareus is partially correct that AV Linux is designed to install and create without any further intervention but the most recent versions (2016, 2017, 2018) are fully intended to be as upgradable and customizable as any Debian Linux would be. Best Regards, Glen MacArthur - AV Linux Maintainer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Powell" &lt;dj_kaza(a)hotmail.com&gt; To: &quot;linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org&quot; &lt;linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org&gt; Cc: Sent: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 14:48:59 +0000 Subject: [LAU] AVL2018 first impressions Hi list. Are people actually using the new AVL? I was quite happy to see it resurrected but so far first impressions really are not good! So you select the Installer option, rather than run live, and it still prompts you to log in, so have to exit, track down the manual and get the username and password. This is just silly! It wasn't added to Grub so I had to boot into my old install and run a update-grub to even be able to load it up. Touchpad scroll doesn't work, not even after removing the xorg-libinput driver to make sure it is using the synaptics driver which is required for most touchpad functions to work in XFCE. This basically makes it unusable! None of the dark themes correctly change the windows decorations with the title bar always remaining light. Doesn't prompt for locale settings on install and there is no language and locale in the Settings. My root password works fine when issuing commands (such as apt update) in the terminal but it does not accept it as being the correct password when trying the GUI settings features such as those found in AV Linux Assistant (also tried the default one from the manual and that doesn't work either.) Tried at least 20 times! And this is just what I've found in 10 minutes! Am I missing something or is it really a pretty much unusable distro?? Hopefully I'm just missing something or for some reason my experience is exceptional..... Regards, Dale.