10 Mar
2005
10 Mar
'05
11:04 p.m.
Hello,
I'm starting a student radio station at IUPUI in Indianapolis, Indiana
and I want our entire audio infrastructure to be based on Linux. I've
got a rough sense of all the apps we need and what apps to setup on
which computers, but I thought I'd run the blueprints by you guys to see
if you could give me any feedback.
Streaming/Web Server: Runs apache and icecast or the icecast mod for Apache.
Automation Computer: Runs some sort of playback program, I've been
keeping my eyes on LiveSupport http://www.campware.org/ to schedule and
automate the station when DJs aren't present.
Audio Archive: File Server for our digital library, probably all FLAC
files, maybe Ogg, but I think we want FLAC in case we want to burn CDs.
And this is the part that I need help on...
Production Computer... so I've been tooling around with JACK and Ardour
and MusE (not to be confused with MuSE) and other JACK apps and its all
really cool and exciting. I never got the sound input to even really
work in linux until a couple weeks ago. Yay for the 2.6.8+ kernels. So
here are my thoughts on setting up a workstation, and I don't even know
if this is possible, but that's why I'm mailing you guys. One department
has kindly donated a brand new Dell Poweredge Dual Xeon 2.4 ghz somethin
or other. The rest of our computers are from the university junkyard of
midgrade PowerPC G4s and Pentium 3s. So the Poweredge is our gem
computer out of all the other crappy computers. Is there any way for me
to set up the speedy new poweredge as some kind of audio production
renderfarm, and get the PPCs and the Pentium 3s to connect to it as
production terminals? Cause, although multi-tracking on the G4s and
Pentium 3s is possible, doing extensive work with FX plugins is probably
out of the question.
See what I'm getting at? Also, the Poweredge also has about a 500gb raid
system with it, which would be nice to use for storing our audio on and
maybe even using as our digital archive as well, but that might be
pushing it if we are doing audio production work on it as well? I'd
imagine this might be the case, but I don't see why ftping flac files on
a local network would be too much of a burden on the raid drive or dual
processors. Another reason why it would be nice to be able to connect to
a poweredge remotely to do audio work, is that it the poweredge makes
about as much noise as a 747. So... its not exactly an audio production
friendly unit.
So these are my thoughts. Am I crazy... or is there some magical way to
make this happen?
- Ben Racher
bracher(a)iupui.edu
10 Mar
10 Mar
11:41 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] IUPUI Student Radio Station should be based on Linux
On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 21:03, ben racher wrote:
Hello,
I'm starting a student radio station at IUPUI in Indianapolis, Indiana
and I want our entire audio infrastructure to be based on Linux. I've
got a rough sense of all the apps we need and what apps to setup on
which computers, but I thought I'd run the blueprints by you guys to see
if you could give me any feedback.
If you're going to be like most other radio stations you'll probably
want to do some compression prior to broadcast. You might want to look
at putting JAMin somewhere in the chain.
Jan
11 Mar
11 Mar
5:14 a.m.
On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 10:03:07 -0500, ben racher wrote:
Production Computer... so I've been tooling around
with JACK and Ardour
and MusE (not to be confused with MuSE) and other JACK apps and its all
really cool and exciting. I never got the sound input to even really
work in linux until a couple weeks ago. Yay for the 2.6.8+ kernels. So
here are my thoughts on setting up a workstation, and I don't even know
if this is possible, but that's why I'm mailing you guys. One department
has kindly donated a brand new Dell Poweredge Dual Xeon 2.4 ghz somethin
or other. The rest of our computers are from the university junkyard of
midgrade PowerPC G4s and Pentium 3s. So the Poweredge is our gem
computer out of all the other crappy computers. Is there any way for me
to set up the speedy new poweredge as some kind of audio production
renderfarm, and get the PPCs and the Pentium 3s to connect to it as
production terminals? Cause, although multi-tracking on the G4s and
Pentium 3s is possible, doing extensive work with FX plugins is probably
out of the question.
Dont forget X. You can put the noisey new machine in a cupboard somewhere,
as long as it has audio connections, and control it from one of the P3's
etc. over X11.
I forwarded your message to one of the guys who runs the student radio
station here http://www.surgeradio.co.uk/ its linux and donated hardware
based, and they have a very good setup, so maybe he can offer some advice.
- Steve
10:49 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] IUPUI Student Radio Station should be based on Linux
Dont forget X. You can put the noisey new machine in a
cupboard somewhere,
as long as it has audio connections, and control it from one of the P3's
etc. over X11.
I forwarded your message to one of the guys who runs the student radio
station here http://www.surgeradio.co.uk/ its linux and donated hardware
based, and they have a very good setup, so maybe he can offer some advice.
- Steve
Well that's what I was thinking. You could connect to it through X
server, and run x terminals... but is there anything like that for JACK
then? Like if I'm on one of the production terminals, can I connect the
sound input of that computer to JACK of the renderfarm? Somebody
mentioned using JACK over TCP/IP, but that it would cause latency
issues... what if its just over a local ethernet, gigabit ethernet?
Because it would be a pain in the ass to walk over to the next room to
control to unplug and plug in audio inputs, then walk back over to the
terminal. This seems possible, but I'm unsure of JACKs TCP/IP abilities.
I'll go do some research.
- ben
7:57 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] IUPUI Student Radio Station should be based on Linux
I'm starting a student radio station at IUPUI in
Indianapolis, Indiana
and I want our entire audio infrastructure to be based on Linux. I've
got a rough sense of all the apps we need and what apps to setup on
which computers, but I thought I'd run the blueprints by you guys to see
if you could give me any feedback.
I take it that you've checked out the very cool looking software from
Salem Radio Labs already.
if this is possible, but that's why I'm mailing
you guys. One department
has kindly donated a brand new Dell Poweredge Dual Xeon 2.4 ghz somethin
or other. The rest of our computers are from the university junkyard of
midgrade PowerPC G4s and Pentium 3s. So the Poweredge is our gem
computer out of all the other crappy computers. Is there any way for me
to set up the speedy new poweredge as some kind of audio production
renderfarm, and get the PPCs and the Pentium 3s to connect to it as
production terminals? Cause, although multi-tracking on the G4s and
anything wrong with X Window?
--p
10:45 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] IUPUI Student Radio Station should be based on Linux
On Friday 11 March 2005 03:03, ben racher wrote:
Hello,
I'm starting a student radio station at IUPUI in Indianapolis, Indiana
and I want our entire audio infrastructure to be based on Linux. I've
got a rough sense of all the apps we need and what apps to setup on
which computers, but I thought I'd run the blueprints by you guys to see
if you could give me any feedback.
Streaming/Web Server: Runs apache and icecast or the icecast mod for
Apache.
Automation Computer: Runs some sort of playback program, I've been
keeping my eyes on LiveSupport http://www.campware.org/ to schedule and
automate the station when DJs aren't present.
Are you sure you only want one? It seems to me that a network system is really
needed here as you really need:
On air playout (Two of possibly?).
Record library terminal (used for importing audio, setting segue points, talk
timers things like that)
Log creation & scheduling.
Traffic & Reconciliation...
And that all of these need to interact.
Now the disclaimer: I hack on Rivendell[1] which uses exactly this model so I
am obviously in favour!
Audio Archive: File Server for our digital library,
probably all FLAC
files, maybe Ogg, but I think we want FLAC in case we want to burn CDs.
And this is the part that I need help on...
Production Computer... so I've been tooling around with JACK and Ardour
and MusE (not to be confused with MuSE) and other JACK apps and its all
really cool and exciting. I never got the sound input to even really
work in linux until a couple weeks ago. Yay for the 2.6.8+ kernels. So
here are my thoughts on setting up a workstation, and I don't even know
if this is possible, but that's why I'm mailing you guys. One department
has kindly donated a brand new Dell Poweredge Dual Xeon 2.4 ghz somethin
or other. The rest of our computers are from the university junkyard of
midgrade PowerPC G4s and Pentium 3s. So the Poweredge is our gem
computer out of all the other crappy computers. Is there any way for me
to set up the speedy new poweredge as some kind of audio production
renderfarm, and get the PPCs and the Pentium 3s to connect to it as
production terminals? Cause, although multi-tracking on the G4s and
Pentium 3s is possible, doing extensive work with FX plugins is probably
out of the question.
For the vast majority of radio production, you don't need serious
multitracking!
I am seeing lots of two track work with spot effects and some gain changes but
normally not a lot of multitrack work.
Now, you could run the DELL as a server and just hook the others up as dumb X
terminals. Put a multichannel card (or two) in the DELL and feed audio lines
to locations near each terminal..... However, I cannot help but feel that for
most production for broadcast, audacity running on a a PIII 800ish should be
just fine.
See what I'm getting at? Also, the Poweredge also
has about a 500gb raid
system with it, which would be nice to use for storing our audio on and
maybe even using as our digital archive as well, but that might be
pushing it if we are doing audio production work on it as well?
I would put the audio and database on the poweredge and export it via NFS to
any clients that need direct connections. Possibly run the playout engine
here as well, and just have the clients run on the slow boxes.
I'd
imagine this might be the case, but I don't see why ftping flac files on
a local network would be too much of a burden on the raid drive or dual
processors.
Disk bandwidth is not that much of a problem on modern systems, but depending
on what you are running processor load can be. You do not want anything to
interfere with whatever is producing the audio for the transmitters!
Another reason why it would be nice to be able to
connect to
a poweredge remotely to do audio work, is that it the poweredge makes
about as much noise as a 747. So... its not exactly an audio production
friendly unit.
Well, you will need to have a rack room anyway, so why not stick it in there?
In fact why not put ALL the computers in there out of the way and run the
video, mouse & keyboard cables to wherever they are required? Makes for a
much nicer working enviroment.
One word of advice! Word clock is your friend when doing this sort of thing!
While jack.udp and friends can deal with moving the audio over the network,
they do NOT deal with keeping the sound hardware in sync, either have ALL the
audio handled by one soundcard (OK for 12 or so stereo streams), OR use
wordclock to keep everything in sync. Failing to do this can cause much
weirdness (Painful experience).
HTH.
Regards, Dan.
[1] http://www.salemradiolabs.com/rivendell
7199
days inactive
7200
days old
linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org
5 comments
5 participants
participants (5)
-
ben racher -
Dan Mills -
Jan Depner -
Paul Davis -
Steve Harris