24 Dec
2002
24 Dec
'02
12:23 a.m.
http://www.m-audio.com/products/m-audio/radium.php
Has anyone tried using this keyboard with linux, yet?
I was about to buy an Oxygen 8, because I've read about several people
in the LAD, LAU, ALSA community using them with linux successfully. But,
then I saw this new Radium controller. It has 61 keys to the oxygen's
25, the same 8 knobs, pitch and mod wheels, and adds 8 sliders to the
oxygen's 1.
Would it be too far fetched to think that this would work as easily with
a linux box as the Oxygen does? I would be very happy if it would.
Thanks,
Eric Rz.
24 Dec
24 Dec
5:46 a.m.
Hi,
Eric Dantan Rzewnicki hat gesagt: // Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
http://www.m-audio.com/products/m-audio/radium.php
Has anyone tried using this keyboard with linux, yet?
I was about to buy an Oxygen 8, because I've read about several people
in the LAD, LAU, ALSA community using them with linux successfully. But,
then I saw this new Radium controller. It has 61 keys to the oxygen's
25, the same 8 knobs, pitch and mod wheels, and adds 8 sliders to the
oxygen's 1.
Would it be too far fetched to think that this would work as easily with
a linux box as the Oxygen does? I would be very happy if it would.
I'm pretty sure, that it will work via the midi port. USB might be
more difficult, I cannot speak for this.
ciao
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2:31 p.m.
On Tue 24/12/2002 10:40:17, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hi,
Eric Dantan Rzewnicki hat gesagt: // Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
Ok. several questions then:
Is there any drawback in terms of performance or functionality in using
the MIDI out instead of the USB connection?
If I understand things correctly using the MIDI out on the oxygen, radium
or PCR-50 would require a MIDI interface attached to my PC like one of
m-audio/midiman's portman products. Have people had good experiences with
portmans?
What are some other options?
I think I understand the difference between serial ports and parallel
ports, but which one is best for MIDI? isn't MIDI serial?
Would the MIDI interface on the PC connect to the serial or parallel
port on the motherboard? or would I use the port on my soundcard
(guillemot maxisound fortissimo -- uses alsa ymfpci driver)?
http://www.m-audio.com/products/m-audio/radium.php
Has anyone tried using this keyboard with linux, yet?
I was about to buy an Oxygen 8, because I've read about several people
in the LAD, LAU, ALSA community using them with linux successfully. But,
then I saw this new Radium controller. It has 61 keys to the oxygen's
25, the same 8 knobs, pitch and mod wheels, and adds 8 sliders to the
oxygen's 1.
Would it be too far fetched to think that this would work as easily with
a linux box as the Oxygen does? I would be very happy if it would.
I'm pretty sure, that it will work via the midi port. USB might be
more difficult, I cannot speak for this.
ciao
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Thanks Frank. and anyone else who has advice for me.
-Eric Rz.
5:19 p.m.
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
If I understand things correctly using the MIDI out on
the oxygen, radium
or PCR-50 would require a MIDI interface attached to my PC like one of
m-audio/midiman's portman products. Have people had good experiences with
portmans?
Many cheap soundcards come with a MIDI port. I have my Oxygen8 connected
through my SB512, and it works fine.
Taybin
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7:12 p.m.
Taybin Rutkin wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
Thanks Taybin.
So, do you use something like this:
https://m-audio.rjmg.com/index.cfm?pid=3305
for that? I have yet to come across something similar from other
manufacturers. I'll keep looking, of course. But, that's definitely
cheaper than buying a MIDI interface and cables.
-ERic Rz.
If I understand things correctly using the MIDI
out on the oxygen, radium
or PCR-50 would require a MIDI interface attached to my PC like one of
m-audio/midiman's portman products. Have people had good experiences with
portmans?
Many cheap soundcards come with a MIDI port. I have my Oxygen8 connected
through my SB512, and it works fine.
Taybin
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25 Dec
25 Dec
1:07 a.m.
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
> Many cheap soundcards come with a MIDI port. I
have my Oxygen8 connected
> through my SB512, and it works fine.
So, do you use something like this:
https://m-audio.rjmg.com/index.cfm?pid=3305
Yes, I use a cable very similar to that. I picked it up at a circut city.
Taybin
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24 Dec
24 Dec
7:43 a.m.
On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 11:18:01 -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
http://www.m-audio.com/products/m-audio/radium.php
Has anyone tried using this keyboard with linux, yet?
There is also an equivalent from Edirol,
http://www.edirol.com/products/info/pcr50.html , also the smaller PCR30
Any experiences would be welcome.
- Steve
2:40 p.m.
On Tue 24/12/2002 11:37:38, Steve Harris wrote:
On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 11:18:01 -0500, Eric Dantan
Rzewnicki wrote:
Ahh! I like that even better. cool. thanks Steve. :) It has buttons,
too, in addition to the knobs and sliders. And it's slightly less wide.
I think I like it.
I assume what Frank said regarding USB vs. MIDI I/O would apply here.
That is, USB might work but will probably more difficult to set up.
While MIDI in out should be fairly simple?
Thanks again,
Eric Rz.
http://www.m-audio.com/products/m-audio/radium.php
Has anyone tried using this keyboard with linux, yet?
There is also an equivalent from Edirol,
http://www.edirol.com/products/info/pcr50.html , also the smaller PCR30
Any experiences would be welcome.
- Steve
25 Dec
25 Dec
3:19 p.m.
Hi,
Eric Dantan Rzewnicki hat gesagt: // Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
I assume what Frank said regarding USB vs. MIDI I/O
would apply here.
That is, USB might work but will probably more difficult to set up.
While MIDI in out should be fairly simple?
Yes, that's the bottom line. For USB, someone has to write a driver.
The Oxygen has an USB driver (it's a Midisport inside) in newer ALSA
versions, I don't know, if the Radium has a driver, but probably it
also has a Midisport inside, so it might work with USB as well. But
you will have to install the USB driver.
OTOH Midi is a standard protocol and it was designed to make
interoperability of devices possible. So you only need a midi
interface to connect the keyboard to your computer. Most soundcards
already have a midi interface onboard, as do most mainboards nowadays,
so you probably only need a midi cable and maybe a gameport/midi
adapter for some soundcards (like the SBLive). Don't buy the M-Audio
one, $29.95 is horrendously overpriced, even for a cable with gameport
adapter. Go to your local hardware outlet (computer or music) and buy
a noname cable.
ciao
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26 Dec
26 Dec
5:52 a.m.
On Wed, Dec 25, 2002 at 08:13:13 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hi,
Eric Dantan Rzewnicki hat gesagt: // Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
There is actually a standard for USB MIDI, but things like the Midisport
were too early to support it.
Theres a chance that new USB keyboards use the generic USB MIDI driver.
- Steve
I assume what Frank said regarding USB vs. MIDI
I/O would apply here.
That is, USB might work but will probably more difficult to set up.
While MIDI in out should be fairly simple?
Yes, that's the bottom line. For USB, someone has to write a driver.
The Oxygen has an USB driver (it's a Midisport inside) in newer ALSA
versions, I don't know, if the Radium has a driver, but probably it
also has a Midisport inside, so it might work with USB as well. But
you will have to install the USB driver.
8:23 a.m.
Hi,
Steve Harris hat gesagt: // Steve Harris wrote:
There is actually a standard for USB MIDI, but things
like the Midisport
were too early to support it.
Theres a chance that new USB keyboards use the generic USB MIDI driver.
So this means, that in the near future we can plug in a USB-midi
device like we today can plug in USB mouses, keyboards, (some)
joysticks? This is very cool.
ciao
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6 Jan
6 Jan
3:11 a.m.
On Wed, Dec 25, 2002 at 08:13:13PM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Yes, that's the bottom line. For USB, someone has
to write a driver.
The Oxygen has an USB driver (it's a Midisport inside) in newer ALSA
versions,
It just uses the Alsa usb-audio driver, AFAIK there is no specific
oxygen / midisport code in Alsa.
What *is* specific to the oxygen is the firmware that it needs to load
from the computer when you connect it via USB. alsa has nothing to
do with this, it's handled by hotplug. I got my oxygen working and
detailed the process here:
http://www.edirol.com/products/info/pcr50.html
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9 Jan
9 Jan
5:55 a.m.
On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 23:05:52 -0800
Paul Winkler <pw_lists(a)slinkp.com> wrote:
What *is* specific to the oxygen is the firmware that
it needs to load
from the computer when you connect it via USB. alsa has nothing to
do with this, it's handled by hotplug. I got my oxygen working and
detailed the process here:
http://www.edirol.com/products/info/pcr50.html
Hmm... I'm not seeing the info on this page. Was that the link that you
intended?
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3:47 p.m.
On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 01:48:44AM -0800, Joseph Zitt wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 23:05:52 -0800
Paul Winkler <pw_lists(a)slinkp.com> wrote:
Uhh.... yeah... I meant to do that... ;-)
Here's the real link:
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=USBMidiDevices
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What *is* specific to the oxygen is the firmware
that it needs to load
from the computer when you connect it via USB. alsa has nothing to
do with this, it's handled by hotplug. I got my oxygen working and
detailed the process here:
http://www.edirol.com/products/info/pcr50.html
Hmm... I'm not seeing the info on this page. Was that the link that you
intended?
10 Jan
10 Jan
4:19 a.m.
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 11:41:10 -0800
Paul Winkler <pw_lists(a)slinkp.com> wrote:
Here's the real link:
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=USBMidiDevices
Looks promising! One thing I'm unsure of, though:
The page states:
Here's the options I use. (note that I already
have
another soundcard at snd-card-0, so this one is 1).
(#) modules.conf for snd-usb-audio with a midi device
alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio
(#) for oss emulation... untested
alias sound-slot-1 snd-card-1
alias sound-service-1-1 snd-seq-oss
alias sound-service-1-8 snd-seq-oss
options usb-audio enable=1 \
index=1 \
id="oxygen"
This line is new to me (at least I don't recall it from before), and I'm
not sure how to set the "enable" and "index" arguments for my own
system, which has both a Roland UA-30 USB Audio Interface and an Oxygen
8. Here's my /etc/modules.conf as it stands now:
[root@gimel tmp]# cat /etc/modules.conf
alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
alias usb-controller usb-uhci
# --- ALSA configuration
alias char-major-116 snd
alias char-major-14 soundcore
alias snd-card-0 snd-usb-audio
alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio
# --- OSS compatibility
alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0
alias sound-slot-1 snd-card-1
alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss
alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss
alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss
alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss
alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss
alias sound-service-1-0 snd-mixer-oss
alias sound-service-1-3 snd-pcm-oss
alias sound-service-1-12 snd-pcm-oss
# --- Options
options snd device_gid=1 device_mode=0666 device_uid=0 cards_limit=2 \
major=116
options snd-usb-audio index=0,1 pid=0x0006,0x1015
# --- Keep modules from being autocleaned
add options -k snd-card-0
add options -k snd-card-1
# --- ALSA configuration END
[root@gimel tmp]#
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11:45 a.m.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 12:12:17AM -0800, Joseph Zitt wrote:
I don't recall if "enable" is really necessary,
but i seem to remember that only the first soundcard is
enabled by default.
As for the index, it refers to the number of the card, as I think
you know; the question is, how do you set up 2 usb audio
devices if both might be plugged in at once?
I have no idea, I'm afraid.
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options
usb-audio enable=1 \
index=1 \
id="oxygen"
This line is new to me (at least I don't recall it from before), and I'm
not sure how to set the "enable" and "index" arguments for my own
system, which has both a Roland UA-30 USB Audio Interface and an Oxygen
8.
11:38 p.m.
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 07:39:28 -0800
Paul Winkler <pw_lists(a)slinkp.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 12:12:17AM -0800, Joseph Zitt
wrote:
I don't recall if "enable" is really necessary,
but i seem to remember that only the first soundcard is
enabled by default.
As for the index, it refers to the number of the card, as I think
you know; the question is, how do you set up 2 usb audio
devices if both might be plugged in at once?
I have no idea, I'm afraid.
Hmm, ok. That line seems to correspond, then, to this line in my
/etc/modules.conf:
options snd-usb-audio index=0,1 pid=0x0006,0x1015
I see that I have "snd-usb-audio" and you have "usb-audio". Is this
one
of the instances where the "snd-" prefix is no longer valid? That also
appears earlier in the file:
alias snd-card-0 snd-usb-audio
alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio
Do I need the "id" argument? And do I understand correctly from other
docs that this needs in my case to be "Keystation" as reflected in my
/proc/asound/cards file?:
0 [REC ]: USB-Audio - UA-30 (44100Hz, Analog REC)
Roland UA-30 (44100Hz, Analog REC)
1 [Keystation ]: USB-Audio - Keystation
M-Audio Keystation
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options
usb-audio enable=1 \
index=1 \
id="oxygen"
This line is new to me (at least I don't recall it from before), and
I'm not sure how to set the "enable" and "index" arguments for
my
own system, which has both a Roland UA-30 USB Audio Interface and an
Oxygen 8.
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