31 Aug
2009
31 Aug
'09
12:09 p.m.
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Betreff: Re: [LAU] ableton live in vmware
Gesendet: Mo, 31. Aug 2009
Von: Robbert Latumahina<lists(a)sensoryoverload.nl>
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
A good perspective to see something like a free Live for Linux. But I have not too much
expectations. An app like this can'
t be a one man show in developing. I watch the development of Live since ver. 1 and with
Live 8 they released their masterpiece in software. This is highly shaped, 99% perfect
software and gives the user an almighty and reliable tool for creativity
It is made by a team of coder, interface designer, sound designer , djs and musicians. The
concept is still revolutionary and unique in the landscape of daw apps. Live is more then
a looper, it is a complete daw with a new paradigm: loops as a basic for arrangements.
From the studio to the stage.
Live 8 is Seq24, Sooperlooper, Ardour and Rosegarden, together with jack rack and
hydrogen, zynaddsubfx and linuxsampler, guitarrack and xjadeo.... but Live is more then
the single pieces: together in one app with "total recall", a perfect workflow.
Ableton with headquarter in Berlin is big thing, they bring together a lot of forces for
innovation. http://www.ableton.com/developer-jobs ;)
A "free live", I don't mean a "proof of concept" like most of the
music apps for Linux, what been usable for musicians, is a hard piece of work need time,
man power, organization. I think, this can't be made by one person, that need a good
team of "coder, interface designer, sound designer , djs and musicians" - the
first step for the development is to form a team. Then collect the best pieces of free
code code and concepts and use this for a "Free Live" -don't reinvent the
wheel again. Use the audio engine of ardour, the midi engine of seq24, and all this
disorganized scraps of code and concepts put together all this pieces in one really cool
free and open daw.
I would be a part of that team.
Michael
If you use GPL software, your software should
also be GPL. Do you think
you can maintain such an app on your own?
AFAIK all used libraries like libJack, ladspa, soundtouch and libsndfile
are LGPL. So that would not be a problem closed or open -source.
About the licensing.. I'm very flexible and this discussion does tend to
bend my direction to opensource, so by tomorrow....
Robbert
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31 Aug
31 Aug
12:19 p.m.
New subject: ableton live in vmware
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Michael Bohle<opendaw(a)jacklab.org> wrote:
Live 8 is Seq24, Sooperlooper, Ardour and Rosegarden,
together with jack rack and hydrogen, zynaddsubfx and linuxsampler, guitarrack and
xjadeo.... but Live is more then the single pieces: together in one app with "total
recall", a perfect workflow.
For me, this is the beauty of working in Linux for pro audio is
because I am not forced into anyone's workflow except my own... I can
pick and choose the individual pieces I want to interconnect and make
my own custom modular DAW ... I realize this isn't for everyone, who
want to have everything in one app... but I find it hard to work in
the Windows world because I can't really pick and choose little pieces
of functionality of what I want to build and expect them all to work
together easily. The Windows world seems more fixated on plugins and
they can be cumbersome (standalone version of some plugins perform
much better when they aren't running inside a host)
-- Brett
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"In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden;
If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world."
-- Jelaleddin Rumi
12:35 p.m.
New subject: ableton live in vmware
On 09/01/2009 12:09 AM, Michael Bohle wrote:
A "free live", I don't mean a "proof of concept" like most of the
music apps for Linux, what been usable for musicians, is a hard piece of work need time,
man power, organization. I think, this can't be made by one person, that need a good
team of "coder, interface designer, sound designer , djs and musicians" - the
first step for the development is to form a team. Then collect the best pieces of free
code code and concepts and use this for a "Free Live" -don't reinvent the
wheel again. Use the audio engine of ardour, the midi engine of seq24, and all this
disorganized scraps of code and concepts put together all this pieces in one really cool
free and open daw.
I would be a part of that team.
I don't think that there is much developer support for completely
reinventing or emulating AL as we already have several apps that take
care of the various functionality in AL very well. IMO we actually have
more power under the hood with the jack system than AL provides. What we
are missing is the integration and the pretty interface.
IMO the thing that is missing for people who come from an AL focused
environment is an interface that has the base functionality and allows
them to quickly build up a sample stack to play in a live setting.
Certainly seq24 has some of this functionality but the interface will
turn off a lot of AL users. Hydrogen IMO has a more friendly interface
design that will be more appealing to AL users.
Hydrogen supports playing midi sequences, and audio samples. It is
currently missing the backend functionality to play multiple sequences
with individual bpm settings at the same time. It is also missing a
sampler grid interface which AL users expect as a standard.
For simple recording, generating and editing we have jack. However
Hydrogen also has some of this functionality in place already.
It is also possible to enable a Hydrogen sampler ui to control a jacked
synth/looper. However if you have a hardware controller then it may be
unnecessary to go through another app like Hydrogen. Just assign the
controls and make sure you remember which is which.
Anyway, I'm putting my money on a solution built on Hydrogens codebase.
The simpler the better.
Cheers.
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
1:18 p.m.
New subject: ableton live in vmware
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Michael Bohle<opendaw(a)jacklab.org> wrote:
It is made by a team of coder, interface designer,
sound designer , djs and musicians.
More than this implies. Ableton employs at least *70* people. That was
18 months ago - could be a lot more now.
Use the audio engine of ardour, the midi engine of
seq24,
ardour3 already has its own MIDI engine, thank you very much.
1:22 p.m.
New subject: ableton live in vmware
On 09/01/2009 01:18 AM, Paul Davis wrote:
But, as was recently pointed out to me by other members of the Ardour
community they are not very interested in Live performance or "DJ" style
interface requirements being integrated into the existing model.
However IMO having a sampler interface in ardour would be pretty f'ing
cool...
Cheers.
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
Use the audio
engine of ardour, the midi engine of seq24,
ardour3 already has its own MIDI engine, thank you very much.
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