8 Aug
2006
8 Aug
'06
9:11 p.m.
I'm currently playing my bass through my v-amp but i find it a little
lacking in vibe. I'm wondering how much different the bass v-amp
sounds for bass compared to the guitar v-amp. Is it worth while
getting one? Has anyone played a bass through both? I really don't
have room in my place for a decent sized practice amp, so either it's
buy an amp and move apartments, buy a bass v-amp or live with what i
have. I mostly listen through headphones anyway... it keeps my gf
happier. So should i go for a bass v-amp?
Loki
8 Aug
8 Aug
9:14 p.m.
On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 09:11 +1000, Loki Davison wrote:
I'm currently playing my bass through my v-amp but
i find it a little
lacking in vibe. I'm wondering how much different the bass v-amp
sounds for bass compared to the guitar v-amp. Is it worth while
getting one? Has anyone played a bass through both? I really don't
have room in my place for a decent sized practice amp, so either it's
buy an amp and move apartments, buy a bass v-amp or live with what i
have. I mostly listen through headphones anyway... it keeps my gf
happier. So should i go for a bass v-amp?
Can't you listen before buying?
Lee
9:33 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Bass V-amp vs V-amp
On 8/9/06, Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 09:11 +1000, Loki Davison
wrote:
yeah.... ;) I was first trying to gain some ideas from the all wise
and knowing crew here. It's mostly is the bass v-amp a decent option
compared to an real bass amp given that would involve finding another
apartment ;) I'm scared listening to many bass amps in case i really
like one. I was also pretty sure someone on lau/lad has both... bass
v-amp and normal.
Loki
I'm currently playing my bass through my
v-amp but i find it a little
lacking in vibe. I'm wondering how much different the bass v-amp
sounds for bass compared to the guitar v-amp. Is it worth while
getting one? Has anyone played a bass through both? I really don't
have room in my place for a decent sized practice amp, so either it's
buy an amp and move apartments, buy a bass v-amp or live with what i
have. I mostly listen through headphones anyway... it keeps my gf
happier. So should i go for a bass v-amp?
Can't you listen before buying?
Lee 
9 Aug
9 Aug
11:57 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Bass V-amp vs V-amp
On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 09:33 +1000, Loki Davison wrote:
On 8/9/06, Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com>
wrote:
With the bass V-amp being inexpensive, compared to a new apartment, rig,
or gf ;), it may not be a bad investment.
I have a the V-amp pro which I use for Bass and Guitar. I run my bass
through a patch with the tube pre-amp and a little bit of compression,
and I am quite happy with it. If I have a gig where I can run direct
through a PA, it sounds great (and beats hauling a ton of gear).
Peter
On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 09:11 +1000, Loki Davison
wrote:
yeah.... ;) I was first trying to gain some ideas from the all wise
and knowing crew here. It's mostly is the bass v-amp a decent option
compared to an real bass amp given that would involve finding another
apartment ;) I'm scared listening to many bass amps in case i really
like one. I was also pretty sure someone on lau/lad has both... bass
v-amp and normal.
Loki I'm currently playing my bass through my
v-amp but i find it a little
lacking in vibe. I'm wondering how much different the bass v-amp
sounds for bass compared to the guitar v-amp. Is it worth while
getting one? Has anyone played a bass through both? I really don't
have room in my place for a decent sized practice amp, so either it's
buy an amp and move apartments, buy a bass v-amp or live with what i
have. I mostly listen through headphones anyway... it keeps my gf
happier. So should i go for a bass v-amp?
Can't you listen before buying?
Lee 
1:38 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Bass V-amp vs V-amp
I would use Native Instruments' Guitar Rig wich would give you a
maximum of flexibility. If you practice just get some high quality
headphones and the soundquality will be awsome. It also works on linux
using FST and wine.
On 8/9/06, Peter Finnegan <petespin(a)att.net> wrote:
On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 09:33 +1000, Loki Davison
wrote:
On 8/9/06, Lee Revell
<rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> wrote:
With the bass V-amp being inexpensive, compared to a new apartment, rig,
or gf ;), it may not be a bad investment.
I have a the V-amp pro which I use for Bass and Guitar. I run my bass
through a patch with the tube pre-amp and a little bit of compression,
and I am quite happy with it. If I have a gig where I can run direct
through a PA, it sounds great (and beats hauling a ton of gear).
Peter
On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 09:11 +1000, Loki Davison
wrote:
yeah.... ;) I was first trying to gain some ideas from the all wise
and knowing crew here. It's mostly is the bass v-amp a decent option
compared to an real bass amp given that would involve finding another
apartment ;) I'm scared listening to many bass amps in case i really
like one. I was also pretty sure someone on lau/lad has both... bass
v-amp and normal.
Loki I'm currently playing my bass through my
v-amp but i find it a little
lacking in vibe. I'm wondering how much different the bass v-amp
sounds for bass compared to the guitar v-amp. Is it worth while
getting one? Has anyone played a bass through both? I really don't
have room in my place for a decent sized practice amp, so either it's
buy an amp and move apartments, buy a bass v-amp or live with what i
have. I mostly listen through headphones anyway... it keeps my gf
happier. So should i go for a bass v-amp?
Can't you listen before buying?
Lee 
2:37 p.m.
On 8/8/06, Loki Davison <loki.davison(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'm currently playing my bass through my v-amp but
i find it a little
lacking in vibe. I'm wondering how much different the bass v-amp
sounds for bass compared to the guitar v-amp. Is it worth while
getting one? Has anyone played a bass through both? I really don't
have room in my place for a decent sized practice amp, so either it's
buy an amp and move apartments, buy a bass v-amp or live with what i
have. I mostly listen through headphones anyway... it keeps my gf
happier. So should i go for a bass v-amp?
Loki
If I had the money, I'd get a SansAmp Bass Driver DI. People on
talkbass.com rave about it. You need a mic pre (with headphone jack
in you case) though, as it has an XLR mic output.
10 Aug
10 Aug
7:18 a.m.
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:37:16PM -0400, Paul Coccoli wrote:
If I had the money, I'd get a SansAmp Bass Driver
DI. People on
talkbass.com rave about it. You need a mic pre (with headphone jack
in you case) though, as it has an XLR mic output.
OTOH, having been a bassist for about 25 years now,
I can't stand the SansAmp BDDI. It's not a very "neutral" device -
it has a strong personality, it scoops out vast amounts of
midrange no matter what you do with the tone controls.
For my taste, that is totally wrong.
Lots of people like it... poor lost souls :)
For going DI, I prefer a decent passive DI followed by
tweaking with plugins if necessary. SC4 is very handy; so is the 10-band EQ
(I forget which suite that comes from). I also sometimes use
the "tube warmth" or whatever it's called.
I really prefer micing the amp, but I recognize that's not
always doable.
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
10:16 a.m.
On 8/9/06, Paul Winkler <pw_lists(a)slinkp.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:37:16PM -0400, Paul Coccoli
wrote:
Hmm, I hadn't heard that. I've never actually played one.
If I had the money, I'd get a SansAmp Bass
Driver DI. People on
talkbass.com rave about it. You need a mic pre (with headphone jack
in you case) though, as it has an XLR mic output.
OTOH, having been a bassist for about 25 years now,
I can't stand the SansAmp BDDI. It's not a very "neutral" device -
it has a strong personality, it scoops out vast amounts of
midrange no matter what you do with the tone controls.
For my taste, that is totally wrong.
Lots of people like it... poor lost souls :)
For going DI, I prefer a decent passive DI followed by
tweaking with plugins if necessary. SC4 is very handy; so is the 10-band EQ
(I forget which suite that comes from). I also sometimes use
the "tube warmth" or whatever it's called.
I use the DIs in my cheapo M-Audio Audio Buddy. They sound ok to me,
and I like cheap stuff. The CAPS tube amp sims sound ok on bass, but
probably need low-pass filters (or EQ) after them.
I really prefer micing the amp, but I recognize
that's not
always doable.
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
12:24 p.m.
I wondered if I such a DI box would make sense in my recording setup :
bass ---> mixing console ---> soundcard
How useful would it be to insert a DI ?
bass ---> DI --> mixing console ---> soundcard
A guitarist friend of mine has tried to convince me so, but I did not
exactly grasp the whole argument ... I would have thought that the
console already serves as a preamp, but I may miss some point ?
Thanks for advice.
On 8/10/06, Paul Coccoli <pcoccoli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/9/06, Paul Winkler <pw_lists(a)slinkp.com>
wrote:
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:37:16PM -0400, Paul
Coccoli wrote:
Hmm, I hadn't heard that. I've never actually played one.
If I had the money, I'd get a SansAmp Bass
Driver DI. People on
talkbass.com rave about it. You need a mic pre (with headphone jack
in you case) though, as it has an XLR mic output.
OTOH, having been a bassist for about 25 years now,
I can't stand the SansAmp BDDI. It's not a very "neutral" device -
it has a strong personality, it scoops out vast amounts of
midrange no matter what you do with the tone controls.
For my taste, that is totally wrong.
Lots of people like it... poor lost souls :)
For going DI, I prefer a decent passive DI followed by
tweaking with plugins if necessary. SC4 is very handy; so is the 10-band EQ
(I forget which suite that comes from). I also sometimes use
the "tube warmth" or whatever it's called.
I use the DIs in my cheapo M-Audio Audio Buddy. They sound ok to me,
and I like cheap stuff. The CAPS tube amp sims sound ok on bass, but
probably need low-pass filters (or EQ) after them.
I really prefer micing the amp, but I recognize
that's not
always doable.
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
2:25 p.m.
If the soundcard preamp are good enough and your soundcard has an HI-Z
switch (my Edirol UA-25 has both) I would remove even the mixing console
from your setup.
The best results are achieved with a clean unprocessed signal (don't
even eq it) to be captured by the soundcard, and then applying digital
effects inside the DAW.
If your soundcard can record at 24bit and you store your WAVs at this
resolution you can even go without a compressor/limiter before entering
the soundcard. 24bit resolution is enough to preserve dynamics even if
you record at a safe level and then compress your track digitally.
If the soundcard latency is low enough you can even listen to the
processed signal (like some compression, for the bass) while recording
(Ardour for instance can do that).
Just my thoughts,
c.
Jean-Baptiste Mestelan wrote:
I wondered if I such a DI box would make sense in my
recording setup :
bass ---> mixing console ---> soundcard
How useful would it be to insert a DI ?
bass ---> DI --> mixing console ---> soundcard
A guitarist friend of mine has tried to convince me so, but I did not
exactly grasp the whole argument ... I would have thought that the
console already serves as a preamp, but I may miss some point ?
Thanks for advice.
On 8/10/06, Paul Coccoli <pcoccoli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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On 8/9/06, Paul Winkler
<pw_lists(a)slinkp.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:37:16PM -0400, Paul
Coccoli wrote:
Hmm, I hadn't heard that. I've never actually played one.
If I had the money, I'd get a SansAmp Bass
Driver DI. People on
talkbass.com rave about it. You need a mic pre (with headphone jack
in you case) though, as it has an XLR mic output.
OTOH, having been a bassist for about 25 years now,
I can't stand the SansAmp BDDI. It's not a very "neutral" device -
it has a strong personality, it scoops out vast amounts of
midrange no matter what you do with the tone controls.
For my taste, that is totally wrong.
Lots of people like it... poor lost souls :)
For going DI, I prefer a decent passive DI followed by
tweaking with plugins if necessary. SC4 is very handy; so is the
10-band EQ
(I forget which suite that comes from). I also
sometimes use
the "tube warmth" or whatever it's called.
I use the DIs in my cheapo M-Audio Audio Buddy. They sound ok to me,
and I like cheap stuff. The CAPS tube amp sims sound ok on bass, but
probably need low-pass filters (or EQ) after them.
I really prefer micing the amp, but I recognize
that's not
always doable.
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
3:35 p.m.
On 8/10/06, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan <mestelan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I wondered if I such a DI box would make sense in my
recording setup :
bass ---> mixing console ---> soundcard
How useful would it be to insert a DI ?
bass ---> DI --> mixing console ---> soundcard
A guitarist friend of mine has tried to convince me so, but I did not
exactly grasp the whole argument ... I would have thought that the
console already serves as a preamp, but I may miss some point ?
Thanks for advice.
It should sound better using a DI since it will match the impedance.
What type of input are you using on the mixing console?
Borrow your friend's DI to hear the difference for yourself.
7:51 p.m.
Thanks Paul and Cesare.
I use the jack input on my mixing console.
The soundcard is a Delta 44, which has no preamps, and will accept a
line-level signal.
Sorry, but I've never really understood too well impedance issues :-/
I just found this on the web, which suggests that an active bass
(which I got) already has low-Z output, and therefore requires no DI ?
http://www.whirlwindusa.com/ftp/tech/tech03.pdf
A high impedance line that is interacting with outside electrical
interference will act more like an "antenna" than a low impedance
line. This problem can get worse as the cable gets longer. This effect
is usually insignificant for a guitar or high-Z microphone plugged
into an amp with a 15' cord but it can have a big effect if that same
signal is sent 100' down a snake. These are reasons why a high
impedance signal is almost always converted to low impedance with the
use of a Direct Box (DI) before being sent long distances.
Another reason for the use of a DI is that it takes a two conductor
unbalanced line and converts it to a three conductor balanced line.
This is a separate issue, not to be confused with impedance. It is a
common misconception that all lines that use regular tip/sleeve ¼"
guitar cord type connectors are high impedance. Not so. The output
from a guitar that has a battery operated active preamplifier or
pickup system will be low impedance in nature. So will the output of
an electronic keyboard, guitar preamplifier or guitar effects
processor. The signals are unbalanced but LOW impedance in nature.
On 8/10/06, Paul Coccoli <pcoccoli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/10/06, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan
<mestelan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I wondered if I such a DI box would make sense
in my recording setup :
bass ---> mixing console ---> soundcard
How useful would it be to insert a DI ?
bass ---> DI --> mixing console ---> soundcard
A guitarist friend of mine has tried to convince me so, but I did not
exactly grasp the whole argument ... I would have thought that the
console already serves as a preamp, but I may miss some point ?
Thanks for advice.
It should sound better using a DI since it will match the impedance.
What type of input are you using on the mixing console?
Borrow your friend's DI to hear the difference for yourself.
8:45 p.m.
Jean-Baptiste Mestelan wrote:
Thanks Paul and Cesare.
I use the jack input on my mixing console.
The soundcard is a Delta 44, which has no preamps, and will accept a
line-level signal.
Sorry, but I've never really understood too well impedance issues :-/
I just found this on the web, which suggests that an active bass
(which I got) already has low-Z output, and therefore requires no DI ?
http://www.whirlwindusa.com/ftp/tech/tech03.pdf
A high impedance line that is interacting with outside electrical
interference will act more like an "antenna" than a low impedance
line. This problem can get worse as the cable gets longer. This effect
is usually insignificant for a guitar or high-Z microphone plugged
into an amp with a 15' cord but it can have a big effect if that same
signal is sent 100' down a snake. These are reasons why a high
impedance signal is almost always converted to low impedance with the
use of a Direct Box (DI) before being sent long distances.
Another reason for the use of a DI is that it takes a two conductor
unbalanced line and converts it to a three conductor balanced line.
This is a separate issue, not to be confused with impedance. It is a
common misconception that all lines that use regular tip/sleeve ¼"
guitar cord type connectors are high impedance. Not so. The output
from a guitar that has a battery operated active preamplifier or
pickup system will be low impedance in nature. So will the output of
an electronic keyboard, guitar preamplifier or guitar effects
processor. The signals are unbalanced but LOW impedance in nature.
On 8/10/06, Paul Coccoli <pcoccoli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/10/06, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan <mestelan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > I wondered if I such a DI box would make sense in my recording
> setup :
> > bass ---> mixing console ---> soundcard
> >
> > How useful would it be to insert a DI ?
> > bass ---> DI --> mixing console ---> soundcard
> >
> > A guitarist friend of mine has tried to convince me so, but I did not
> > exactly grasp the whole argument ... I would have thought that the
> > console already serves as a preamp, but I may miss some point ?
> >
> > Thanks for advice.
> >
>
> It should sound better using a DI since it will match the impedance.
> What type of input are you using on the mixing console?
>
> Borrow your friend's DI to hear the difference for yourself.
>
You can always disable every other effect from the V-amp and just use it
as a DI box. It serves this purpose for a guitar so it should go well
with a bass too.
If you're going to buy a direct input box consider some better preamp
that can add some warmth to the sound. I just got a ART Studio V3 Tube
amp (it also has a small valve). You should find it around $75.
Anyway, while searching something else I've found this [wikipedia]:
[...] Another important sonic innovation was McCartney's discovery of
the direct injection <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_injection>
(DI) technique, in which he could record his bass by plugging it
directly into an amplifying circuit in the recording console. This
provided a vastly improved level of presence, power and fidelity over
the old method, which was to record the bass through an amplifier with a
microphone. [...]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sgt._Pepper_Lonely%27s_Hearts_Club_Band
Cheers,
c.
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11 Aug
11 Aug
7:52 a.m.
On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 11:51:34PM +0200, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan wrote:
I just found this on the web, which suggests that an
active bass
(which I got) already has low-Z output, and therefore requires no DI ?
http://www.whirlwindusa.com/ftp/tech/tech03.pdf
Correct. I do have one active bass, and I can plug it straight
into my Delta 66.
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http://www.slinkp.com
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