12 Apr
2008
12 Apr
'08
2:22 p.m.
Ii's only taken me about 40 years to finish this little project. But my
CD is finished and ready for the masses. Preview tracks and place an
order at
http://mellowood.ca/music/cedars/index.html
Backgrounds with MMA, mastering audacity, plus other tools on linux.
Best,
--
Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
EMAIL: bob(a)mellowood.ca
WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca
13 Apr
13 Apr
6:50 a.m.
Hi Bob!
I just listened to the demos on your side. I like the saxophone, itsounds
really warm. But the rest of the sounds is too MIDI for my taste. I think even
with free software and free sounds you could have found a nicer piano and
nicer drums. Also especially in Wynndel-waltz the ride is played a bit too
MIDI-like in a few places.
Even though the songs are simple little tunes, for dancing, you did yourself
harm with the sound-selection. I know this sounds hard, especially, when I
read, that it took you so long to get this CD done. BUT: perhaps you will get
back to a few of your tunes or start another CD, from which I definitely
wouldn't discourage you, and then you can just take care of the sounds.
Probably even invest a little in either a few samples or some synth-module.
I'd hope so. And I hope, that you're not too sad about tis answer.
Kindest regards
Julien
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3:02 p.m.
First off, thanks for taking time to listen. I truly appreciate that.
I just listened to the demos on your side. I like
the saxophone,
itsounds really warm. But the rest of the sounds is too MIDI for my
Funny that things sound too MIDI :) After all, it is just that. I guess
that I could take that as a criticism, but honestly this record is more
a demo of how easy it is to create "acceptable" backgrounds with MMA.
Well, that what it started out as. I really do know crap about mixing
and audio. I do know what I like to listen to, and play. And, yes, I
agree that a lot of the tracks are a bit mechanical.
taste. I think even with free software and free sounds
you could have
found a nicer piano and nicer drums. Also especially in Wynndel-waltz
the ride is played a bit too MIDI-like in a few places.
Okay. Too midi-like? Does this mean too mechanical?
Even though the songs are simple little tunes, for
dancing, you did
yourself harm with the sound-selection. I know this sounds hard,
especially, when I read, that it took you so long to get this CD done.
You read too closely the words. I really did not work on this record for
40 years :) But, I have been playing for at least that long (not sax,
but that is another story).
BUT: perhaps you will get back to a few of your tunes
or start another
CD, from which I definitely wouldn't discourage you, and then you can
just take care of the sounds. Probably even invest a little in either a
few samples or some synth-module. I'd hope so. And I hope, that you're
not too sad about tis answer.
Heck no. Not sad at all.
I do find it very difficult to hear the things you talk about.
The crappy piano sounds on a $20 synth sound to me like "piano sounds".
The old piano at the school sounds like a piano. The grand at the
concert hall sounds like a piano. Do they sound different? Sure. Is one
sound more clear, more vibrant, "better". Sure. Does it matter? Not to
my ears. I listen to the music. What the musician is putting into the
song. The interpretation (which is the stuff that I think is lacking
from my own playing, even after all these years). The melody, etc.
I listen to a lot of the so-called modern music and the pure sounds and
wonderful mixes and I just don't get it. Sure, the audio is wonderful
... but that's about it. And don't get me started ranting about a lot of
the radio we are subjected to each day.
Oppps, I'm ranting ... and it might even sound like I'm trying to
justify or defend my little project. Sorry, that's not the intention.
I'd like to redo the album some day with a live band in a real studio.
Ahh, such are dreams. I live in a little community where the only
popular music is playing on old guitars which are capable of only 3 or 4
chords :)
Again, thanks for listening.
--
Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
EMAIL: bob(a)mellowood.ca
WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca
14 Apr
14 Apr
1:36 p.m.
What's MMA??
(Dumb question?? I hope not...)
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Bob van der Poel <bob(a)mellowood.ca> wrote:
First off, thanks for taking time to listen. I truly appreciate that.
--
Christopher Stamper
Email: christopherstamper(a)gmail.com
Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg
gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r
Skype: cdstamper
I just listened to the demos on your side. I
like the saxophone,
itsounds really warm. But the rest of the sounds is too MIDI for my
Funny that things sound too MIDI :) After all, it is just that. I guess
that I could take that as a criticism, but honestly this record is more
a demo of how easy it is to create "acceptable" backgrounds with MMA.
Well, that what it started out as. I really do know crap about mixing
and audio. I do know what I like to listen to, and play. And, yes, I
agree that a lot of the tracks are a bit mechanical.
taste. I think even with free software and free
sounds you could have
found a nicer piano and nicer drums. Also especially in Wynndel-waltz
the ride is played a bit too MIDI-like in a few places.
Okay. Too midi-like? Does this mean too mechanical?
Even though the songs are simple little tunes,
for dancing, you did
yourself harm with the sound-selection. I know this sounds hard,
especially, when I read, that it took you so long to get this CD done.
You read too closely the words. I really did not work on this record for
40 years :) But, I have been playing for at least that long (not sax,
but that is another story).
BUT: perhaps you will get back to a few of your
tunes or start another
CD, from which I definitely wouldn't discourage you, and then you can
just take care of the sounds. Probably even invest a little in either a
few samples or some synth-module. I'd hope so. And I hope, that you're
not too sad about tis answer.
Heck no. Not sad at all.
I do find it very difficult to hear the things you talk about.
The crappy piano sounds on a $20 synth sound to me like "piano sounds".
The old piano at the school sounds like a piano. The grand at the
concert hall sounds like a piano. Do they sound different? Sure. Is one
sound more clear, more vibrant, "better". Sure. Does it matter? Not to
my ears. I listen to the music. What the musician is putting into the
song. The interpretation (which is the stuff that I think is lacking
from my own playing, even after all these years). The melody, etc.
I listen to a lot of the so-called modern music and the pure sounds and
wonderful mixes and I just don't get it. Sure, the audio is wonderful
... but that's about it. And don't get me started ranting about a lot of
the radio we are subjected to each day.
Oppps, I'm ranting ... and it might even sound like I'm trying to
justify or defend my little project. Sorry, that's not the intention.
I'd like to redo the album some day with a live band in a real studio.
Ahh, such are dreams. I live in a little community where the only
popular music is playing on old guitars which are capable of only 3 or 4
chords :)
Again, thanks for listening.
--
Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
EMAIL: bob(a)mellowood.ca
WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca
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2:28 p.m.
On Monday 14 April 2008 11:36, Christopher Stamper wrote:
What's MMA??
Probably:
http://www.mellowood.ca/mma/
Musical MIDI Accompaniment
(Dumb question?? I hope not...)
drew
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Bob van der Poel <bob(a)mellowood.ca> wrote:
> First off, thanks for taking time to listen. I truly appreciate that.
>
> > I just listened to the demos on your side. I like the saxophone,
> > itsounds really warm. But the rest of the sounds is too MIDI for my
>
> Funny that things sound too MIDI :) After all, it is just that. I guess
> that I could take that as a criticism, but honestly this record is more
> a demo of how easy it is to create "acceptable" backgrounds with MMA.
> Well, that what it started out as. I really do know crap about mixing
> and audio. I do know what I like to listen to, and play. And, yes, I
> agree that a lot of the tracks are a bit mechanical.
>
> > taste. I think even with free software and free sounds you could have
> > found a nicer piano and nicer drums. Also especially in Wynndel-waltz
> > the ride is played a bit too MIDI-like in a few places.
>
> Okay. Too midi-like? Does this mean too mechanical?
>
> > Even though the songs are simple little tunes, for dancing, you did
> > yourself harm with the sound-selection. I know this sounds hard,
> > especially, when I read, that it took you so long to get this CD done.
>
> You read too closely the words. I really did not work on this record for
> 40 years :) But, I have been playing for at least that long (not sax,
> but that is another story).
>
> > BUT: perhaps you will get back to a few of your tunes or start another
> > CD, from which I definitely wouldn't discourage you, and then you can
> > just take care of the sounds. Probably even invest a little in either a
> > few samples or some synth-module. I'd hope so. And I hope, that you're
> > not too sad about tis answer.
>
> Heck no. Not sad at all.
>
> I do find it very difficult to hear the things you talk about.
>
> The crappy piano sounds on a $20 synth sound to me like "piano sounds".
> The old piano at the school sounds like a piano. The grand at the
> concert hall sounds like a piano. Do they sound different? Sure. Is one
> sound more clear, more vibrant, "better". Sure. Does it matter? Not to
> my ears. I listen to the music. What the musician is putting into the
> song. The interpretation (which is the stuff that I think is lacking
> from my own playing, even after all these years). The melody, etc.
>
> I listen to a lot of the so-called modern music and the pure sounds and
> wonderful mixes and I just don't get it. Sure, the audio is wonderful
> ... but that's about it. And don't get me started ranting about a lot of
> the radio we are subjected to each day.
>
> Oppps, I'm ranting ... and it might even sound like I'm trying to
> justify or defend my little project. Sorry, that's not the intention.
>
> I'd like to redo the album some day with a live band in a real studio.
> Ahh, such are dreams. I live in a little community where the only
> popular music is playing on old guitars which are capable of only 3 or 4
> chords :)
>
> Again, thanks for listening.
>
>
> --
> Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
> EMAIL: bob(a)mellowood.ca
> WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca
>
>
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2:31 p.m.
:-)
Oh...
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:29 PM, drew Roberts <zotz(a)100jamz.com> wrote:
On Monday 14 April 2008 11:36, Christopher Stamper
wrote:
--
Christopher Stamper
Email: christopherstamper(a)gmail.com
Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg
gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r
Skype: cdstamper
What's MMA??
Probably:
http://www.mellowood.ca/mma/
Musical MIDI Accompaniment
(Dumb question?? I hope not...)
drew
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Bob van der Poel <bob(a)mellowood.ca>
wrote:
> First off, thanks for taking time to listen.
I truly appreciate that.
>
> > I just listened to the demos on your side. I like the saxophone,
> > itsounds really warm. But the rest of the sounds is too MIDI for my
>
> Funny that things sound too MIDI :) After all, it is just that. I
guess
> that I could take that as a criticism, but
honestly this record is
more
> a demo of how easy it is to create
"acceptable" backgrounds with MMA.
> Well, that what it started out as. I really do know crap about mixing
> and audio. I do know what I like to listen to, and play. And, yes, I
> agree that a lot of the tracks are a bit mechanical.
>
> > taste. I think even with free software and free sounds you could
have
> > found a nicer piano and nicer drums.
Also especially in
Wynndel-waltz
> > the ride is played a bit too MIDI-like
in a few places.
>
> Okay. Too midi-like? Does this mean too mechanical?
>
> > Even though the songs are simple little tunes, for dancing, you
did
> > yourself harm with the sound-selection.
I know this sounds hard,
> > especially, when I read, that it took you so long to get this CD
done.
>
> You read too closely the words. I really did not work on this record
for
> 40 years :) But, I have been playing for at
least that long (not sax,
> but that is another story).
>
> > BUT: perhaps you will get back to a few of your tunes or start
another
> > CD, from which I definitely
wouldn't discourage you, and then you
can
> > just take care of the sounds. Probably
even invest a little in
either a
> > few samples or some synth-module.
I'd hope so. And I hope, that
you're
> > not too sad about tis answer.
>
> Heck no. Not sad at all.
>
> I do find it very difficult to hear the things you talk about.
>
> The crappy piano sounds on a $20 synth sound to me like "piano
sounds".
> The old piano at the school sounds like a
piano. The grand at the
> concert hall sounds like a piano. Do they sound different? Sure. Is
one
> sound more clear, more vibrant,
"better". Sure. Does it matter? Not to
> my ears. I listen to the music. What the musician is putting into the
> song. The interpretation (which is the stuff that I think is lacking
> from my own playing, even after all these years). The melody, etc.
>
> I listen to a lot of the so-called modern music and the pure sounds
and
> wonderful mixes and I just don't get it.
Sure, the audio is wonderful
> ... but that's about it. And don't get me started ranting about a lot
of
> the radio we are subjected to each day.
>
> Oppps, I'm ranting ... and it might even sound like I'm trying to
> justify or defend my little project. Sorry, that's not the intention.
>
> I'd like to redo the album some day with a live band in a real studio.
> Ahh, such are dreams. I live in a little community where the only
> popular music is playing on old guitars which are capable of only 3 or
4
> chords :)
>
> Again, thanks for listening.
>
>
> --
> Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
> EMAIL: bob(a)mellowood.ca
> WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca
>
>
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2:30 p.m.
Christopher Stamper wrote:
What's MMA??
(Dumb question?? I hope not...)
Not a dumb question at all ... just an indication of bad advertising on
my part :)
MMA is a free accompaniment generator, sort of like Band in a Box. Visit
http://www.mellowood.ca/mma for details.
--
Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
EMAIL: bob(a)mellowood.ca
WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca
3:41 p.m.
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Bob van der Poel wrote:
Ii's only taken me about 40 years to finish this
little project. But my
CD is finished and ready for the masses. Preview tracks and place an
order at
http://mellowood.ca/music/cedars/index.html
Backgrounds with MMA, mastering audacity, plus other tools on linux.
impressive. Nice mixtures of styles and the sax is magic.
A while back when my QY-22 broke I've tried to replace it by MMA [1]. I
hope to contribute some examples by submitting the mma files for "in a
sentimental mood" (Duke) and "Spain" (Chick Corea) but i got stuck with
customizing /slowJazz1Walk/ and actually rehearsing ;) - I'm not sure
about copyright issues either..
IMHO MMA is a great piece of software and it would benefit from some
higher-level presets and customizable examples. - don't get me wrong:
you have done an excellent job already with the tutorial and all -
thanks for sharing.
FWIW: I've imported the MMA generated midi file into rosegarden and
ardour3 & `ghostess-jackmidi /usr/lib/dssi/fluidsynth-dssi.so`. Both
worked fine and it's easy for playing/recording (MIDI control); although
the latter combination is a bit edgy ;)
cheers,
robin
[1] http://www.mellowood.ca/mmm
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4:17 p.m.
Robin Gareus wrote:
impressive. Nice mixtures of styles and the sax is
magic.
Thanks. I appreciate that.
A while back when my QY-22 broke I've tried to
replace it by MMA [1]. I
hope to contribute some examples by submitting the mma files for "in a
sentimental mood" (Duke) and "Spain" (Chick Corea) but i got stuck with
customizing /slowJazz1Walk/ and actually rehearsing ;) - I'm not sure
about copyright issues either..
Yeah, copyright issues. A black hole of confusion. So long as no one
makes a big deal of this I supply a bunch of song files marked "for
educational purposes only". All I can suggest is that folks dl this
package while it is available :)
Please do finish the changes and send them to me. The library, for the
most part, really needs to be tweaked. I just don't have time or
knowledge of all the styles to do a great job.
FWIW: I've imported the MMA generated midi file
into rosegarden and
ardour3 & `ghostess-jackmidi /usr/lib/dssi/fluidsynth-dssi.so`. Both
worked fine and it's easy for playing/recording (MIDI control); although
the latter combination is a bit edgy ;)
For Cedars I used the -T switch in the latest MMA in combination with
timidity to create separate tracks for each instrument. I imported the
resulting tracks into audacity and fiddled with them there. For a few
tracks I dumped the timidity generated stuff and digitally recorded a
keyboard. Add in the sax ... and there you go.
--
Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
EMAIL: bob(a)mellowood.ca
WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca
4:54 p.m.
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Robin Gareus <robin(a)gareus.org> wrote:
A while back when my QY-22 broke I've tried to
replace it by MMA [1]. I
hope to contribute some examples by submitting the mma files for "in a
sentimental mood" (Duke) and "Spain" (Chick Corea) but i got stuck with
customizing /slowJazz1Walk/ and actually rehearsing ;) - I'm not sure
about copyright issues either..
Well copyright might be an issue... but do feel free to distribute
them "in private"...
You have my email, right ? ;-)
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