20 Jun
2005
20 Jun
'05
5:16 a.m.
Hi
I'm currently running debian/unstable with my home-made-but-unpatched
kernel 2.6.11-10, but is considering switching to ubunto.
1) How well will ubunto with stock kernel perform in realtime (csound)
compared to debian with hand-made-but-unpatched kernel?
2) How does the availabilty of audio application in ubunto compare with
debian/unstable?
3) Anything/other experiences that I should know of?
--
peace, love & harmony
Atte
http://www.atte.dk
20 Jun
20 Jun
10:13 a.m.
Atte André Jensen <atte.jensen(a)gmail.com> writes:
Hi
I'm currently running debian/unstable with my home-made-but-unpatched
kernel 2.6.11-10, but is considering switching to ubunto.
Why?
1) How well will ubunto with stock kernel perform in
realtime (csound)
compared to debian with hand-made-but-unpatched kernel?
I don't think there will be any difference. I have installed ubuntu
on a machine (because it was the only distro that worked on that
particular hardware out-of-the-box) and I cross-bred it with Demudi
and Debian (which has created a whole other set of conflicts and
problems). Add demudi to your apt sources and install the multimedia
kernel if you don't want the hassle of patching and compiling
yourself.
2) How does the availabilty of audio application in
ubunto compare
with debian/unstable?
I find that ubuntu is far less complete in terms of binary packages
than Debian. I use both debian and demudi in my sources.
3) Anything/other experiences that I should know of?
I had some specific needs and found that ubuntu was lacking some
resources. I can't really remember which they were, but off the top
of my head I believe that if you compile a lot yourself and/or use
less 'popular' software, Ubuntu is a little defficient. I would not
advise anyone to use it for anything other than just getting one's
feet wet with linux. In fact, I also installed it on my mom's
computer and it's great for her needs (which are limited to playing
solitaire, browsing the net, doing email and writing a journal).
HTH
./MiS
11:45 a.m.
Michal Seta wrote:
>I'm currently running debian/unstable with my
home-made-but-unpatched
>kernel 2.6.11-10, but is considering switching to ubunto.
Why?
Basically because unstable is sometimes a bit too unstable for me (and
stable is too old, or at least was a month ago...).
I don't think there will be any difference. I
have installed ubuntu
on a machine (because it was the only distro that worked on that
particular hardware out-of-the-box) and I cross-bred it with Demudi
and Debian (which has created a whole other set of conflicts and
problems). Add demudi to your apt sources and install the multimedia
kernel if you don't want the hassle of patching and compiling
yourself.
So you've had problems with demudi on ubunto? And still recommend it, why?
I would not
advise anyone to use it for anything other than just getting one's
feet wet with linux.
Let's see. The impression I get (from my LUG, for instance) is that
quite a lot of hardcore debian/gentoo users have switched, and are
praising ubunto quite a lot.
Anyways, I just ordered another HD, so I'll install ubunto on that and
see how bad it is...
--
peace, love & harmony
Atte
http://www.atte.dk
noon
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 05:26:11PM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote:
Basically because unstable is sometimes a bit too
unstable for me (and
stable is too old, or at least was a month ago...).
That was pretty much my reason.
Let's see. The impression I get (from my LUG, for
instance) is that
quite a lot of hardcore debian/gentoo users have switched, and are
praising ubunto quite a lot.
Well, I have no love for Gentoo, but Debian was my favorite until I gave
Ubuntu a shot.
So far the small amount of typicical linux audio work I've tried hasn't
been hard.
A few systems at work run Ubuntu and do some fairly heavy pro
audio/video work, but they use video cards with closed source drivers, and
custom audio cards, also with closed source audio drivers, and, of
course, closed source applications written specifically for that
hardware combo. ALSA and jack are not used at all and audio latency is
adequate.
5:04 p.m.
Hallo,
Atte André Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte André Jensen wrote:
Michal Seta wrote:
You know, that stable is quite current now, don't you? And that there
is a thing in between and that is called "testing", which I ran the
last year and it has always been quite comfortable.
>I'm currently running debian/unstable with
my home-made-but-unpatched
>kernel 2.6.11-10, but is considering switching to ubunto.
Why?
Basically because unstable is sometimes a bit too unstable for me (and
stable is too old, or at least was a month ago...). Let's see. The impression I get (from my LUG, for
instance) is that
quite a lot of hardcore debian/gentoo users have switched, and are
praising ubunto quite a lot.
I think, if your main interest is audio, then A/Demudi is a better
choice. Or run Debian stable/testing with some packages from Demudi.
Ubuntu seems to be very focused on the "general desktop user", which
is not necessarily the same as the audio oriented user. And why not
try to add some Ubuntu sources to your apt-configuration? Ubuntu seems
to take good care not to conflict with Debian upstream, so this might
work well.
Regarding realtime performance: I doubt, that Ubuntu will give you
better performance that stock Debian. A/Demudi however will.
Ciao
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5:55 p.m.
Frank Barknecht wrote:
You know, that stable is quite current now, don't
you?
Yes. But if the next stable is as long under way as sarge was, 5/6 of
the time I'll be running software that's more than half a year old...
And that there
is a thing in between and that is called "testing", which I ran the
last year and it has always been quite comfortable.
Although testing could have been the sweet spot of debian, it's mostly
useless IMHO. This is because some software is really old at times and
some is quite buggy.
I think, if your main interest is audio, then A/Demudi
is a better
choice. Or run Debian stable/testing with some packages from Demudi.
Maybe. As I mentioned I just ordered a biiig HD for my laptop. So
actually I planned to have a small partition with debian/sarge, no x, no
nothing, just my realtime csound setup and the rest in one big partition
with ubunto for desktop usage.
Regarding realtime performance: I doubt, that Ubuntu
will give you
better performance that stock Debian. A/Demudi however will.
So maybe my small csound partition should be demudi....
--
peace, love & harmony
Atte
http://www.atte.dk
6:13 p.m.
Atte André Jensen wrote:
So maybe my small csound partition should be
demudi....
Which reminds me:
* Is demudi still based on a debian, and if so which?
* How often are demudi's software updated? Floating uptates or official
releases?
* How stable in use and robust to upgrades is demudi compared to
debian/stable, debian/unstable and ubunto?
--
peace, love & harmony
Atte
http://www.atte.dk
21 Jun
21 Jun
1:26 p.m.
Last Monday 20 June 2005 23:13, Atte André Jensen was like:
Atte André Jensen wrote:
> So maybe my small csound partition should be demudi....
You may like it, you will see ... ;)
Which reminds me:
* Is demudi still based on a debian, and if so which?
A/DeMuDi-1.2.1 is based on Sarge, 1.3 will be based on Etch (probably). There
is a reasonable chance that Etch won't take as long as Sarge to develop.
* How often are demudi's software updated?
Floating uptates or official
releases?
Floating. Official releases come out once the system is stable. 1.2.1 will
probably be released once the problems with the 2.6 kernels are resolved
(looks like soon). There is a vague roadmap here:
http://demudi.agnula.org/roadmap
* How stable in use and robust to upgrades is demudi
compared to
debian/stable, debian/unstable and ubunto?
I'm recording my album with it. A/DeMuDi _is_ Debian stable with a multimedia
kernel and more up to date or specially recompiled audio packages. Ubuntu is
nice for people who find Debian daunting and it is working towards better
multimedia integration, but it may require more effort to get everything else
working nicely. A/DeMuDi has contributed to the Custom Debian Distribution
project and also uses some Ubuntu packages (e.g. Xorg). Lines of
communication between the two distros are pretty open AFAICT.
A/DeMuDi delivers a working audio system as easily as Ubuntu delivers a
working desktop system. Judging by the number of people using DeMuDi packages
with Ubuntu, I'd guess that the bumps and wrinkles of using the two together
could be ironed out quite quickly. I think the best place to focus
Debian-based multimedia development is A/DeMuDi, both projects cycle packages
back into the Debian tree, so everyone benefits in the long run.
P.S. Sarge is the sweet spot right now. It's stable and reasonably up to date.
Remember that the apt-get system allows you a lot of flexibility. Blah.
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
27 Jun
27 Jun
3:23 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ubunto + realtime performance
|--==> ISO writes:
I> Atte André Jensen wrote:
>So maybe my small csound partition should be
demudi....
I> Which reminds me:
I> * Is demudi still based on a debian, and if so which?
Yes, you may want to read:
http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/DocumentsConcept
I> * How often are demudi's software updated? Floating uptates or official
I> releases?
Both, if you want a well tested system just install an official
release. If you want to be bleeding-edge just run apt-get update
frequently: new audio packages from unstable are automatically grabbed
as soon as they enter Debian.
I> * How stable in use and robust to upgrades is demudi compared to
I> debian/stable, debian/unstable and ubunto?
A/DeMuDi *is* Debian, or, better, a comfortable way to install Debian
for audio purposes. Divergence from Debian is kept very low (some
packages are newer, kernel it's optimize etc.) and many improvements
are submitted directly to Debian.
Cheers,
Free
20 Jun
20 Jun
7:28 p.m.
Atte André Jensen <atte.jensen(a)gmail.com> writes:
No, I reccomend debian+demudi (man, I really am not clear).
Michal Seta wrote:
Sorry, I was not clear. Why switching to ubuntu?
>I'm currently running debian/unstable with
my home-made-but-unpatched
>kernel 2.6.11-10, but is considering switching to ubunto.
Why?
Basically because unstable is sometimes a bit too unstable for me (and
stable is too old, or at least was a month ago...). I don't think there will be any difference.
I have installed ubuntu
on a machine (because it was the only distro that worked on that
particular hardware out-of-the-box) and I cross-bred it with Demudi
and Debian (which has created a whole other set of conflicts and
problems). Add demudi to your apt sources and install the multimedia
kernel if you don't want the hassle of patching and compiling
yourself.
So you've had problems with demudi on ubunto? And still recommend it, why? Let's see. The impression I get (from my LUG, for
instance) is that
quite a lot of hardcore debian/gentoo users have switched, and are
praising ubunto quite a lot.
Meybe I'm not hardcore enough. For new users it's a great distro, I have not been
impressed in terms of trying to do audio.
Anyways, I just ordered another HD, so I'll
install ubunto on that and
see how bad it is...
the best way to go.
./MiS
8:23 p.m.
Basically because unstable is sometimes a bit too
unstable for me (and
> stable is too old, or at least was a month ago...).
I better put in a vote for unstable..
I've been on unstable for about six months* and prefer to have the
latest packages and deal with (or ignore!) any bugs/wierdouts that crop
up
I have always been able to use my desktop, although lateral thinking is
necessary sometimes
I am no whiz either... but I backup frequently!
As mentioned sarge is now stable so it's about the newest "stable"
distro, this week..
Norv
*actually it was further out than experimental for a month or two
(64bit)
1:27 p.m.
On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 10:14 -0400, Michal Seta wrote:
Atte André Jensen <atte.jensen(a)gmail.com>
writes:
YMMV, but I switched to Ubuntu because I got sick of my Debian bug
reports being ignored.
Lee
Hi
I'm currently running debian/unstable with my
home-made-but-unpatched
kernel 2.6.11-10, but is considering switching to
ubunto.
Why? 
5:49 p.m.
El lun, 20-06-2005 a las 11:14, Michal Seta escribió:
Atte André Jensen <atte.jensen(a)gmail.com>
writes:
<just guessing>
I think it's an Ubuntu problem, cause in my machine I have Sarge +
DeMuDi via apt-cdrom. It worked perfectly smooth.
I also readed some guys having problems using Debian repositories
instead of Ubuntu's ones in Ubuntu.
Note: with this I _don't_ want to say that Ubuntu isn't good, just
pointing out some "incompatibilities", if they may be called like that.
</just guessing>
Cheers, Damian.-
Yo quiero conocer el pensamiento de Dios, el resto son detalles. Albert
Einstein
Hi
I'm currently running debian/unstable with my home-made-but-unpatched
kernel 2.6.11-10, but is considering switching to ubunto.
Why?
1) How well will ubunto with stock kernel perform
in realtime (csound)
compared to debian with hand-made-but-unpatched kernel?
I don't think there will be any difference. I have installed ubuntu
on a machine (because it was the only distro that worked on that
particular hardware out-of-the-box) and I cross-bred it with Demudi
and Debian (which has created a whole other set of conflicts and
problems).
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