On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 16:14 +0200, David Baron wrote: I doubt that the opinions of users of a program that so far does not exist for Linux match the opinions of Linux users in general. --ll

david wrote: Really? Don't you like tracking, or Renoise in particular? Renoise is definetely one of the best sample based trackers around, if you haven't you should give it a try. Having a tracker of that quality, with good jack support (transport and seperate outputs), would be a wet dream come through, at least for me. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org

Hi David, Samples in this context mean samples such as in a rompler and not (typically) phrase sampling such as in the context of remix styles. So, composing for a program like Renoise would actually not be much different from composing for synthesizers. Louis

On Saturday 19 January 2008 22:22, Folderol wrote: Where did you find it Will? I looked on the Renoise site, and could only find downloads for Windows, and Mac. Nigel.

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:23:18 +0000 "James Stone" <jamesmstone(a)gmail.com> wrote: Yes you have to register. I wasn't aware that this involved paying though (not that I'd mind paying for something I thought worthwhile). I didn't follow the link because It's not of particular interest to me. I'm into sequencers & synths rather than trackers. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk

On Sunday 20 January 2008 16:27, Dave Phillips wrote: Thanks Dave for the feedback, it'll be interesting to try it on different distros. It's nice to see that someone has taken a first step in porting an audio app to Linux, that was previously only available for Windows, or Mac. Yes you have to pay for the full version, but I don't think that there is anything inherently wrong with that. There are many nice synths that are available for Windows/Mac, and yes, they arn't cheap. I've tried demo's of many of them on XP, and also tried them under wine, but with limited success. Admittadly not recently, and perhaps the latest wine may give better results, but certainly if they were ported to Linux, it wouldn't be the hit and miss affair that it is, trying to get them to work under wine. I bought Making Waves (a step sequencer) some years ago, and was getting quite used to using it on XP, but never could get the demo version to run properly under wine. Locked up, using 100% CPU when trying to access my soundfiles, so as to load one of them. When first run it would create an .ini file in wine, and would play the demo ok, but would do nothing the next time I tried to run it, unless I deleted the .ini file, and then restarted it. Trying my paid for version under wine, and after consulting with the Making Waves folks about running it on Linux, they were prepared to provide me with the necessary code to enable it. The problem was that the code box is supposed to give you a set of numbers, then you give the Making Waves guys the numbers, and they give you the code to enter. All I got trying it on Linux under wine was a set of 0's in the code box, and couldn't activate my paid for version. Looking back at what I've just written, something comes to mind. We in the Linux world, and speaking personally, are used to being able to install as many instances of Hydrogen for example, on as many distros as we like. Not so when you have paid for a licence to use Renoise for example. Usually this on a one machine/os basis. Making Waves though were a bit liberal on this, and provided codes for my XP machine in England, and also for my XP machine in France, but that is some time ago. I appreciate that these software providers want to protect their interests, and don't want to be, as it were, ripped off, but just wonder how they might deal with the Linux world of many different distros, and users who have paid the licence fee, but want to try the app on their different distros, to just see how it performs. Just a thought, and I suppose we'll just have to see how this pans out. Sunday afternoon, now evening ramblings. Nigel.

On Monday 21 January 2008 03:20, Sebastian Gutsfeld wrote: That's really pretty reasonable, for proprietary software at least. Reminds me of the old Borland "treat it like a book" license on their compilers in the 80's. I don't know if Renoise is going to be my cup of tea, but at least I might try the demo now. It seems a little less half-assed than most other commercialized Linux ports. I've bought quite a few Linux games over the last decade, but it's kinda nice to see some proprietary software that's actually useful, and audio software at that. Of course, if they started using some kind of network-based copy protection scheme in the future, I'd totally have to crack it. I bought a DVD ripper for Windows for a non-Internet-using relative, primarily on its lack of copy protection, and then in some update they added a key that you had to get on the Internet to activate or your installation was dead in the water. So until I found a replacement a few months later, it was easier to download a crack than install a modem or something on his computer just to activate a program meant to circumvent someone else's copy protection. Hopefully the Renoise guys are smarter than that. Rob

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:03:26 +0100 Nigel Henry &lt;cave.dnb(a)tiscali.fr&gt; wrote: OK. we'll let you off this time. Don't do it again <smack> None of us would. Noooooo :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk