On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:02:46 -0400 jonetsu <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote: Since there's silence about this... The picture you have chosen to illustrate ocotoco on Soundcloud is a post-natal bagua. 八卦 'bagua' means the 8 trigrams which are just about the foundation of what stands for 'the bible' of Chinese culture, the Yi Jing, the book (classic) of transformations. The other being the Yin and the Yang. From those 8 trigrams were derived the 64 hexagrams which are the transformations themselves. The Chinese does not have a book to tell them that moral comes from a God above. There was a rather short period of time in ancient history where there was a God for the Chinese (Shang Di) but it was tossed aside for an observation of nature and the processes involved. As such, moral comes when one complies with the universe, to put it simply. It is generated from the inside in a proper state, not coming from a God above. In a pre-natal configuration, Qian and Kun (Heaven and Earth) are in the center one facing the other, which means balance. As in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bagua-name-earlier.svg After being born this balance is compromised which results in Qian and Kun being on the side, like the representation you have used. There are two major kinds of efficiency. One is based on operational analysis, the other is based on exposing the coherence of internal processes. The latter was proved to be as efficient although very foreign to our thoughts and beliefs which are primarily based on some aspects of ancient Greece and reinforced through the centuries. Traditional Chinese approach, the one that permeated the Chinese culture, is based on the interaction of processes and was developed totally in parallel to our ways of thinking, of seeing the world. You will see a lot of Chinese for whom this means not much and that's OK. As an example, today people can say about someone who is no good for nothing that he's 不三不四, he's 'not 3 not 4'. And when asked, many Chinese will not know the actual meaning. It refers to a representation of the hexagram in which lines 5 and 6 are heaven, 3 and 4 man, and 1 and 2 the earth. So when someone is not even 3 and 4, it means he's not good for nothing. Man being a living being between heaven and earth. This has influenced greatly Chinese culture. Cheers.