5 Aug
2011
5 Aug
'11
4:28 p.m.
There have been several recent posts concerning adapting Aptosid for
music production, which did not sound to promising to me. If you want
a Debian-based Linux music distro, use AVLinux which runs tons of Linux
music apts out of the box, comes with a RT kernel (even 3.0 is
available), supports nearly any interface which can be supported in
Linux (e.g. firewire devices, using the "new stack").
IMHO is far easier to carve out a 20 GB partition and put AVLinux on it,
than to take a "generic" Linux distro and customize for music
production. You can still boot into your preferred distro/OS for other
tasks, though, you can still install any application you want from
Debian repos in AVLinux, so it works fine as a general purpose distro,
too.
5 Aug
5 Aug
6:51 p.m.
New subject: Aptosid & Debian music distributions => AVLinux recommended
Edward Diehl wrote:
There have been several recent posts concerning
adapting Aptosid for
music production, which did not sound to promising to me. If you want
a Debian-based Linux music distro, use AVLinux which runs tons of Linux
music apts out of the box, comes with a RT kernel (even 3.0 is
available), supports nearly any interface which can be supported in
Linux (e.g. firewire devices, using the "new stack").
Aptosid has all of that, too, including the 3.0 RT kernel.
IMHO is far easier to carve out a 20 GB partition and
put AVLinux on it,
than to take a "generic" Linux distro and customize for music
production. You can still boot into your preferred distro/OS for other
tasks, though, you can still install any application you want from
Debian repos in AVLinux, so it works fine as a general purpose distro,
too.
Customization of aptosid for music/graphics was very easy for me. Just
installed the basic system, then installed the apps I wanted. Didn't
take much work at all. Particularly vs Gentoo.
Not complaining about AVLinux, but sometimes this kind of thing comes
off as pushy advertising. The most success I've had with dedicated music
distros along the lines of "It just works" is the last Musix 2.0 beta.
I've tried some recommended audio distros here that wouldn't even boot
on my hardware.
--
David
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8:18 p.m.
Am Freitag, den 05.08.2011, 06:51 -1000 schrieb david:
Aptosid has all of that, too, including the 3.0 RT
kernel.
Again, that is not true, you can install a rt-kernel to aptosid simply
with apt-get, but AFAIK it isn't a aptosid kernel (a big diff in the
applied patchs). It is a debian kernel with the debian patch set
applied.
The same was true before the rt kernel slips into debian, before that
you could simply install a pengutronix kernel for example.
The AV-linux rt kernel indeed is special designed for AV-linux.
6 Aug
6 Aug
4:51 a.m.
New subject: Aptosid & Debian music distributions => AVLinux recommended
On 06/08/11 02:18, hermann wrote:
Am Freitag, den 05.08.2011, 06:51 -1000 schrieb
david:
But that IS aptosid ... it is not a distribution in the sense that AVLinux is,
it is a way to install debian sid.
They do three very useful things for someone who wants to use debian sid on
their system ..
1/ They package a live install disk with, in my experience at least, an install
system that seems to deal with a wide range of new hardware very well.
2/ They build a custom kernel and maintain a set of bugfixes and an update
warning system to achieve 1/ and try to ensure that apt-get dist-upgrade can be
done safely to keep the installation up-to-date, using either their kernel or a
current or fairly recent debian one.
3/ They maintain a good manual and website so that 1/ and 2/ are useful to the user.
How you configure sid after that is up to you.
AVlinux does something else entirely, they configure and maintain a debian based
system geared towards multimedia, staying quite close to a standard debian
system (so it remains very flexible).
That is another big job done for the audio user, and by most reports they do it
well.
Simon
Aptosid has all of that, too, including the 3.0
RT kernel.
Again, that is not true, you can install a rt-kernel to aptosid simply
with apt-get, but AFAIK it isn't a aptosid kernel (a big diff in the
applied patchs). It is a debian kernel with the debian patch set
applied.
5:42 a.m.
Am Samstag, den 06.08.2011, 10:51 +0800 schrieb Simon Wise:
On 06/08/11 02:18, hermann wrote:
There is a big diff between a debian kernel and a aptosid kernel, it is
wide more then the rt-patch, eg. supported hardware,....
When you install a debian kernel on aptosid, you didn't get any support
from the aptosid supporter team.
So again, it isn't aptosid.
Am Freitag, den 05.08.2011, 06:51 -1000 schrieb
david:
But that IS aptosid ... it is not a distribution in the sense that AVLinux is,
it is a way to install debian sid. Aptosid has all of that, too, including the 3.0
RT kernel.
Again, that is not true, you can install a rt-kernel to aptosid simply
with apt-get, but AFAIK it isn't a aptosid kernel (a big diff in the
applied patchs). It is a debian kernel with the debian patch set
applied.
They do three very useful things for someone who wants to use debian sid on
their system ..
It's all up to you, I'm switch from aptosid to plain debian/sid and can
tell you, there is a big part witch is simply a myth.
1/ They package a live install disk with, in my
experience at least, an install
system that seems to deal with a wide range of new hardware very well.
2/ They build a custom kernel and maintain a set of bugfixes and an update
warning system to achieve 1/ and try to ensure that apt-get dist-upgrade can be
done safely to keep the installation up-to-date, using either their kernel or a
current or fairly recent debian one.
Wrong, see above
3/ They maintain a good manual and website so that 1/ and 2/ are useful to the user.
How you configure sid after that is up to you.
Again, your post suggest there is a interest by the aptosid dev's for
Pro Audio user, that isn't the case. It is a plain debian/sid desctop
based distro and they wouldn't do anything, if a Pro Audio app in debian
sid will broken. As long all in debian sid work, it work also in
aptosid. But it is also the case in the other direction.
AVlinux does something else entirely, they configure and maintain a debian based
system geared towards multimedia, staying quite close to a standard debian
system (so it remains very flexible).
That is another big job done for the audio user, and by most reports they do it
well.
It's not a other big job done for pro audio user, it is done for audio
user. That isn't the case with aptosid, and you will get that when the
time comes and a du bite you. I have run sidux/aptosid over 6 years and
use now plain debian sid. You will never get more support for Pro Audio
in aptosid then in plain debia sid.
If you like to use a rolling release with a wider range of support for
pro audio, then ARCH comes in mind. They do indeed greet work for pro
audio user.
Simon
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hermann
9:03 a.m.
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hermann wrote:
Am Freitag, den 05.08.2011, 06:51 -1000 schrieb
david:
I tried that (Pengutronix) kernel. Wouldn't boot at all. I'm not
bothering with their kernels again.
Aptosid has all of that, too, including the 3.0
RT kernel.
Again, that is not true, you can install a rt-kernel to aptosid simply
with apt-get, but AFAIK it isn't a aptosid kernel (a big diff in the
applied patchs). It is a debian kernel with the debian patch set
applied.
The same was true before the rt kernel slips into debian, before that
you could simply install a pengutronix kernel for example. The AV-linux rt kernel indeed is special designed for
AV-linux.
Could be, I liked what I saw when it finally booted. (Although it's odd
that the live DVD tries to mount the home partition on musicbox but
fails with only a helpful display listing how to mount a partition.) But
I also like ArtistX, the last Musix 2 beta, and am quite comfortable
taking a non-audio distro and setting it up to do what I want to do in
terms of audio.
Well, just tried to use AVLinux 5.0.1 with my USB soundcard, and JACK
crashed on startup when I try to run 16msec latency. It will run at
32msec latency. Probably the lack of an RT kernel in the live DVD.
--
David
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authenticity, honesty, community
10:48 a.m.
Am Freitag, den 05.08.2011, 21:03 -1000 schrieb david:
Well, just tried to use AVLinux 5.0.1 with my USB
soundcard, and JACK
crashed on startup when I try to run 16msec latency. It will run at
32msec latency. Probably the lack of an RT kernel in the live DVD.
Do you have reported that to GMaq ?
A good way to improve the Linux Audio world is ever report bug's to
upstream. I'm pretty sure that GMaq didn't own a hardware farm to check
any use-case, he need reports by users to improve this stuff.
greats
herman
But to be honest, well I'm a debian sid user myself, and fully agree
with you that tweak a no audio distro to Pro Audio studio is comfortable
at all. I use only my own custom build rt-kernels, and that is also true
for the most of my audio apps. :-)
15 Aug
15 Aug
1:42 a.m.
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hermann wrote:
Am Freitag, den 05.08.2011, 21:03 -1000 schrieb
david:
Well, reported that (and a separate issue) using AV Linux's report bug
feature. Turns out the JACK1 and Yoshimi packages AV Linux uses are not
Debian packages, they're custom AV Linux packages. (So why doesn't AV
Linux' report bugs for their own packages to their own tracking system?
beats me.) No help from Debian Multimedia, supposed to go check the AV
Linux forums. Apparently AV Linux wants to use things from Squeeze that
aren't being backported ... or something like that.
AV Linux is a JACK1 distro. On my hardware, JACK2 works better. Bummer,
I like the look of AV Linux.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
Well, just tried to use AVLinux 5.0.1 with my USB
soundcard, and JACK
crashed on startup when I try to run 16msec latency. It will run at
32msec latency. Probably the lack of an RT kernel in the live DVD.
Do you have reported that to GMaq ?
A good way to improve the Linux Audio world is ever report bug's to
upstream. I'm pretty sure that GMaq didn't own a hardware farm to check
any use-case, he need reports by users to improve this stuff.
greats
herman
But to be honest, well I'm a debian sid user myself, and fully agree
with you that tweak a no audio distro to Pro Audio studio is comfortable
at all. I use only my own custom build rt-kernels, and that is also true
for the most of my audio apps. :-) 
1:16 p.m.
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On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:42 AM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
AV Linux is a JACK1 distro. On my hardware, JACK2
works better. Bummer, I
like the look of AV Linux.
If its JACK2 you want to use, just enable a repo that has the version you
want (1.9.6 or .7 I presume), and do a "sudo apt-get install jackd2". In
this case configurability is beauty :)
-Harry
9:49 p.m.
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Harry van Haaren wrote:
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:42 AM, david wrote:
AV Linux is a JACK1 distro. On my hardware, JACK2 works better.
Bummer, I like the look of AV Linux.
If its JACK2 you want to use, just enable a repo that has the version
you want (1.9.6 or .7 I presume), and do a "sudo apt-get install
jackd2". In this case configurability is beauty :)
-Harry
I did that. After replacing JACK1 with JACK2, the avlinux-specific
package of Yoshimi wouldn't run at all.
--
David
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