14 Oct
2016
14 Oct
'16
12:26 p.m.
Greetings,
Recently I embarrassed myself by making and posting a piece that used
material created by another composer (fortunately a friendly one). When
notified of the issue I immediately withdrew the piece from circulation
and apparently all's well that ends well.
However, on reflection I find that I am a very disorganized person who
has amassed a huge number of soundfiles over the years. I've tried to
keep them organized, but I could really use a file manager dedicated to
managing soundfiles. I'd like to click on a file and see the kind of
information displayed by sfinfo and similar utilities. I'd also like to
see the file's metadata in the same display.
Does such a file manager exist ? How do you manage very large
collections of soundfiles ?
Best,
dp
14 Oct
14 Oct
1:09 p.m.
Dave Phillips wrote:
...
Does such a file manager exist ? How do you manage
very large
collections of soundfiles ?
I believe I've seen one or two the last 10-15 years, but the design and
thinking was more programmer/bed room inspired than done with the composer/
sound engineer mind set. One need a rock solid long term system, so I ended up
doing this by file structure:
Overall:
~/Studio
Buffer
Ideas-Sketches
HW
Projects
SoundLib
SW
----------------------
Examples:
~/Studio/Buffer/Inbox
~/Studio/Buffer/Outbox
So IE. in the map: ~/Studio/Projects/Artist/Year/Project for a single song
project, you might find this files and project folders:
rawfiles/
mb32c-v3/
ardour5
rg1606/
Notes
some_refrencemovie.mp4
some_refrencetrack.mp3
So a Mixbus32C version 3.6 project will in this case be created
in a folder like this:
~/Studio/Projects/Artist/Year/Project/mb32c-v3/
And for an whole album, this structure above will come under folders like
this:
~/Studio/Projects/Artist/Year/Project/trackname1
~/Studio/Projects/Artist/Year/Project/trackname2 and so on
No reason to have a track number, becauce thei'r no decided yes.
Yep, it's a lot of folders, but very easy to maintain, archive and eventually
open up again.
The Soundlib is done like this:
~/Studio/SoundLib/ByVendor/NaturalDrum/NDK/NDK-jostein/GIG
And under ~/Studio/SoundLib, I have links to the most user libs like this:
~/Studio/SoundLib/ByCategory/Drums/NDK-jostein/GIG
I got all my patches for softsynhs under her (sometimes linked
to obscure places because a softsynth need to find patches elsewhere.
I started using this system 4 years ago and can now easily move and copy
projects to for example the laptop or opposite. And the same goes for backups
and archiving. I do not have to think anymore when using this system because
the files are always "in the same place"
Hope this helps or inspires a little bit.
Jostein
1:38 p.m.
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 13:09:31 +0200
"Jostein Chr. Andersen" <jostein(a)vivaldi.net> wrote:
The Soundlib is done like this:
~/Studio/SoundLib/ByVendor/NaturalDrum/NDK/NDK-jostein/GIG
For instance, under:
/B3/Echantillons/
There are, as an example:
BlackOctopus/
ModeAudio/
WaveAlchemy/
There is a significant difference though. None is in ~. Actually ~ is
almost treated like a long-term temp directory of some sort. I do not
put any data that 'is created by me' eg. that is not OS, in an OS
folder. This makes it possible to have a smaller OS partition, and
then as large partitions as needed for data of various kind, outside of
the OS scope. The OS can change at any time and the data will still be
in its place. Physically, the data can also be on different discs.
I guess that it would be possible to run a script an extract sfinfo
data for each single file and construct a database with the filenames
and sffile data and occasional notes about the files...
Or if a file manager allows hooks, to add a sfinfo hook.
1:53 p.m.
Greetings,
On 10/14/2016 07:38 AM, jonetsu wrote:
I guess that it would be possible to run a script an
extract sfinfo
data for each single file and construct a database with the filenames
and sffile data and occasional notes about the files... Or if a file
manager allows hooks, to add a sfinfo hook.
Thanks, that gave me an idea. I might be able to customize a lightweight
file manager to do some of what I want.
I think that what I'm looking for is a standalone version of the file
management found in Ardour, Bitwig, or Rosegarden, complete with
waveform display, playback option(s), and a display of metadata and
other file data (e.g. as reported by sfinfo).
Best,
dp
16 Oct
16 Oct
1:56 p.m.
Hello,
when I have samples which may be used in a project, I put them in a "samples"
project with their original name under that specific project folder.
that means it is already sorted when first downloaded, and if some more information on the
source is needed, I'll add a text file with the information.
Later on, the folder is cleaned up if some samples are finally not used.
As for a stock of samples, the folders will often have the name of the source (website, or
author's name), with a text file detailing licences.
Raphaël
Le 14 oct. 2016 à 13:53, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> a écrit :
Greetings,
On 10/14/2016 07:38 AM, jonetsu wrote:
I guess that it would be possible to run a script
an extract sfinfo data for each single file and construct a database with the filenames
and sffile data and occasional notes about the files... Or if a file manager allows hooks,
to add a sfinfo hook.
Thanks, that gave me an idea. I might be able to customize a lightweight file manager to
do some of what I want.
I think that what I'm looking for is a standalone version of the file management
found in Ardour, Bitwig, or Rosegarden, complete with waveform display, playback
option(s), and a display of metadata and other file data (e.g. as reported by sfinfo).
Best,
dp
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14 Oct
1:47 p.m.
Hey Jo,
On 10/14/2016 07:09 AM, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote:
Dave Phillips wrote:
...
Thanks for your design, it is inspiring. I'm already doing something
similar with my Ardour projects, but my greater problem is the sheer
number of unassigned/unsorted files I generate. I use various programs
and environments to create sounds that may or may not end up in actual
works. As a result I have a huge collection of unorganized files that
extends back through many years and many (mostly defunct) projects.
And in the case of my recent gaffe I wasn't aware of the file's
provenance. It had been filed along with a bunch of files I use for work
in AVSynthesis and wound up being deployed where it shouldn't have been.
AFAICT there's no metadata to the file that would have alerted me to its
status, but if I had better file organization I might not have put it in
with my AVS work files.
Thanks again for the inspiration. It has me thinking about a better way
of doing things here.
Best,
dp
Does such a file manager exist ? How do you
manage very large
collections of soundfiles ?
I believe I've seen one or two the last 10-15
years, but the design and
thinking was more programmer/bed room inspired than done with the composer/
sound engineer mind set. One need a rock solid long term system, so I ended up
doing this by file structure:
...
2:35 p.m.
Hi Dave,
On fredag 14 oktober 2016 kl. 07:47:31 CEST Dave Phillips wrote:
...but my greater problem is the sheer
number of unassigned/unsorted files I generate. I use various programs
and environments to create sounds that may or may not end up in actual
works. As a result I have a huge collection of unorganized files that
extends back through many years and many (mostly defunct) projects.
I have been quite hard to myself regarding this and just placed the sound files
and snippets under the "Ideas" folder, no project files and stuff, only sound
files. Then they sound as a new ideas or inspiring every time I (seldom) open
them again - and I've also ruthlessly thowed away a lot of stuff. I just could
not stand with all this diverse stuff in my system anymore and decided to
minimize anything in order to free up some brain and creative resources. :-)
Jo
1:58 p.m.
Hi Dave,
Recently I embarrassed myself by making and posting a
piece that used
material created by another composer (fortunately a friendly one). When
notified of the issue I immediately withdrew the piece from circulation
and apparently all's well that ends well.
However, on reflection I find that I am a very disorganized person who
has amassed a huge number of soundfiles over the years. I've tried to
keep them organized, but I could really use a file manager dedicated to
managing soundfiles. I'd like to click on a file and see the kind of
information displayed by sfinfo and similar utilities. I'd also like to
see the file's metadata in the same display.
Does such a file manager exist ? How do you manage very large
collections of soundfiles ?
Samplecat maybe?
https://ayyi.github.io/samplecat/
Jeremy
2:05 p.m.
Samplecat is the shiznit.
We want this *inside* Ardour :)
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy(a)autostatic.com>
wrote:
Hi Dave,
Recently I embarrassed myself by making and
posting a piece that used
material created by another composer (fortunately a friendly one). When
notified of the issue I immediately withdrew the piece from circulation
and apparently all's well that ends well.
However, on reflection I find that I am a very disorganized person who
has amassed a huge number of soundfiles over the years. I've tried to
keep them organized, but I could really use a file manager dedicated to
managing soundfiles. I'd like to click on a file and see the kind of
information displayed by sfinfo and similar utilities. I'd also like to
see the file's metadata in the same display.
Does such a file manager exist ? How do you manage very large
collections of soundfiles ?
Samplecat maybe?
https://ayyi.github.io/samplecat/
Jeremy
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2:48 p.m.
On 10/14/2016 07:58 AM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
Hi Dave,
Hey Jeremy, thanks a lot, that does look like what I'm after. I'll give
a whirl today.
Best,
dp
...
Does such a file manager exist ? How do you manage very large
collections of soundfiles ?
Samplecat maybe?
https://ayyi.github.io/samplecat/
Jeremy
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