10 Apr
2010
10 Apr
'10
2:53 p.m.
We're getting very near release for our first CD, which was mixed, edited and
overdubbed on Linux in Ardour, and will probably be mastered on Linux as well. Here are
some getting-pretty-close-to-finished mixes:
http://lahar.s3.amazonaws.com/scratchmixes-basic/foie-A.ogg
http://lahar.s3.amazonaws.com/scratchmixes-basic/ginseng-A.ogg
What's giving me headaches is bass rolloff on certain systems. On the nice flat Fostex
studio monitors I was able to borrow-- and which don't have any bass emphasis--, it
sounds well balanced. On crappy iPod earbuds which roll off the bass like crazy, it works
well too. But on car stereos or club systems which emphasize the bass, the kick drum and
bass guitar are way too hot-- sounds like the whole thing was recorded from inside the
kick.
Not sure what to do about this. Would appreciate any advice from the experience mix
engineers around.
-ken
10 Apr
10 Apr
3:02 p.m.
New subject: Some new music made (mostly) with Linux -- comments on mix?
On 10 April 2010 at 9:51, Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
We're getting very near release for our first CD,
which
was mixed, edited and overdubbed on Linux in Ardour, and
will probably be mastered on Linux as well. Here are some
getting-pretty-close-to-finished mixes:
http://lahar.s3.amazonaws.com/scratchmixes-basic/foie-A.ogg
http://lahar.s3.amazonaws.com/scratchmixes-basic/ginseng-A.ogg
What's giving me headaches is bass rolloff on certain
systems. On the nice flat Fostex studio monitors I was able to
borrow-- and which don't have any bass emphasis--, it sounds
well balanced. On crappy iPod earbuds which roll off the bass
like crazy, it works well too. But on car stereos or club
systems which emphasize the bass, the kick drum and bass guitar
are way too hot-- sounds like the whole thing was recorded from
inside the kick.
Not sure what to do about this. Would appreciate any advice
from the experience mix engineers around.
Hi Ken,
I've only seen two ways to get a mix to sound good on lots of systems.
The first way is a pain, which is to take test mixes to lots of
systems, and then go back to mixing to make adjustments. This
is mainly trial and error. But, it can sort of get passable
results.
The second way is what I'm doing now, and the way it works in
nicer studios. That's to have your mixing room and speakers
nice and flat down lower in frequency. My current room and
speakers are pretty good down to about 50Hz. Every time before
I mix something that I know will have bass content I re-eq the
speakers/room. I do that because I can't leave the room in a
condition where I know all is well with the bass sound, unlike in
pro studios, where the rooms are dedicated for that.
Best of luck....
--
Kevin
6:26 p.m.
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lördag 10 april 2010 18.51.38 skrev Ken Restivo:
...
What's giving me headaches is bass rolloff on
certain systems. On the nice
flat Fostex studio monitors I was able to borrow-- and which don't have
any bass emphasis--, it sounds well balanced. On crappy iPod earbuds which
roll off the bass like crazy, it works well too. But on car stereos or
club systems which emphasize the bass, the kick drum and bass guitar are
way too hot-- sounds like the whole thing was recorded from inside the
kick.
Not sure what to do about this. Would appreciate any advice from the
experience mix engineers around.
I do not have any good monitors here and my tinnitus is very annoying at the
moment, but the bass sounds slightly boosted on my system while the KD is a
little anonymous. You might wanna try to cut aprox. 3 db on both bass and KD,
hipass from 80 Hz on bass and around 50 on KD. Also, you might want to boost
the attack with aprox 3 db somewhere around 3000-4000 Hz. I think this might
serve as a starting point to make your decitions further.
Jostein
11 Apr
11 Apr
5:58 p.m.
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lördag 10 april 2010 22.26.12 skrev Jostein Chr. Andersen:
hipass from 80 Hz on bass
Sorry, approx 40 on bass (deep E is around 41), I was in guitar land after
long hours in my home studio.
Anyway, my suggestions are just a first direction wich probably makes it
pretty clear what to do. The idea is: a little less deep bass and a little
more rich sound. The mix sounds pretty clean and I think you can affort to
enrich the kd and bass a little.
Jostein
10 Apr
10 Apr
7:42 p.m.
Ken Restivo wrote:
What's giving me headaches is bass rolloff on
certain systems. On the
nice flat Fostex studio monitors I was able to borrow-- and which
don't have any bass emphasis--, it sounds well balanced. On crappy
iPod earbuds which roll off the bass like crazy, it works well too.
But on car stereos or club systems which emphasize the bass, the kick
drum and bass guitar are way too hot-- sounds like the whole thing
was recorded from inside the kick.
Sounds great on the two systems I checked, maybe the bass could be 1db
lower.
I agree with the suggestion to make sure you rid yourself of anything
below 50hz. I'm not sure, but this could be what's causing the trouble
on some systems.
--
Atte
http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk
7:51 p.m.
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I agree with the suggestion to make sure you rid
yourself of anything
below 50hz. I'm not sure, but this could be what's causing the trouble
on some systems.
Heh, well, the problem with car bass and clubs is usually they're very
very underdamped and also very peaky. They want to seem powerful.
It's way easier to get Big Volume at 100Hz than 50, so guess what
cheapy systems do... When you hear a Honda with the hood rattling from
bass, I'd bet a hamburger it's around 100-125Hz.
That said, even with the peaky response and the lack of damping, the
original recording isn't compressing/leveling the bass much/at all.
The notes and hits are varying in power by maybe a factor of three or
four. Compression is usually the way to even that out and make sure
you don't have a mix of 'OK' and 'way too hot'. It's hard to do
that
in a recording without having the instruments in seperate tracks, so I
didn't really try in the version I sent to the list. It's all the
multiband smoothing it out, and that works better above bass.
Monty
10:28 p.m.
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foie: haaaa chill! loving the Sax.. :-)
It seems there's a couple of "clicks" in the sax rec at about 1:47 here...
You got them? Might just be me.
What bands are similar in style to this? I've only got one: Liquid Soul.
Theyre one of my favorites,
and im looking for more equally funky bands... suggestions?
GinSeng: Again nice chillout... (im into "fast" drums... ie snappy little
fills in the beat. 1:55 etc.. more of
that would be amazing to my ears, the drummers obviously able guessing from
2:20 ish.. :)
Lookin forward to more of this..! Cheers, -Harry
PS: Bass roll off.. yea.. bout that.. I duno! ;-)
10:59 p.m.
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On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Harry Van Haaren <harryhaaren(a)gmail.com> wrote:
foie: haaaa chill! loving the Sax.. :-)
It seems there's a couple of "clicks" in the sax rec at about 1:47 here...
Actually, there's lots of clicks in random places now that I listen
more closely, especially now that I've adjusted my try at it for more
attack punch...
You got them? Might just be me.
What bands are similar in style to this? I've only got one: Liquid Soul.
I was actually thinking some of the early Phish studio stuff. At
least sound-wise, the music is obviously way tighter.
Monty
11 Apr
11 Apr
12:50 a.m.
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On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 05:51:00PM -0400, Monty Montgomery wrote:
Thanks! And also thanks for the mastered/reverbed files. If you used JAMIN, I'd love
to see the actual *.jam files to see exactly what you did so I can learn from that.
So, replying kind of to everyone:
As for bass rolloff, I'm rolling off with Glame Highpass 4-pole filter at 38Hz right
now. There ain't nothing below that.
The kick is boosted by 1.5dB at 50Hz. The bass is boosted by similar amount at 60Hz.
I'll play around with different values, also rolling off 80Hz on bass.
The kick DOES have compression, SC4, from memory: 5ms, 4:1, 100ms release, and it grabs
from 2dB to 8dB of gain reduction. Bass is just limited with a nice tube compressor at
recording time; the bass player's fingers are their own compression (he's got an
active preamp bass, and he plays loud).
As for clips, I sure hope there aren't any on the guitar, and I'd be surprised if
there were. What you're hearing on the sax is the "slap" of the reed he was
using. I've got a compressor on that too.
The snare is mic'ed top and bottom (phase adjusted in Ardour), and there's
compression on both of those channels.
I'll try messing around with 100Hz and figuring out what's in that range, also
maybe notching it out.
As for compression, I don't understand how it could solve the "car stereo
problem". I am NOT hearing sudden peaks of energy on car stereos, I'm hearing
just way too much kick, ALL the time, and also way too much bass, ALL the time. Come to
think of it, I'm hearing way too much low mids all around on car stereos and club
systems, even the guitar and vocals... starting to point towards that 100Hz area...
perhaps I'll try hauling those out.
Thanks everyone for the comments!
-ken
I agree with
the suggestion to make sure you rid yourself of anything
below 50hz. I'm not sure, but this could be what's causing the trouble
on some systems.
Heh, well, the problem with car bass and clubs is usually they're very
very underdamped and also very peaky. They want to seem powerful.
It's way easier to get Big Volume at 100Hz than 50, so guess what
cheapy systems do... When you hear a Honda with the hood rattling from
bass, I'd bet a hamburger it's around 100-125Hz.
That said, even with the peaky response and the lack of damping, the
original recording isn't compressing/leveling the bass much/at all.
The notes and hits are varying in power by maybe a factor of three or
four. Compression is usually the way to even that out and make sure
you don't have a mix of 'OK' and 'way too hot'. It's hard to do
that
in a recording without having the instruments in seperate tracks, so I
didn't really try in the version I sent to the list. It's all the
multiband smoothing it out, and that works better above bass. 
7:30 a.m.
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Excerpts from Ken Restivo's message of 2010-04-11 04:47:55 +0200:
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 05:51:00PM -0400, Monty
Montgomery wrote:
Thanks! And also thanks for the mastered/reverbed files. If you used JAMIN, I'd love
to see the actual *.jam files to see exactly what you did so I can learn from that.
So, replying kind of to everyone:
As for bass rolloff, I'm rolling off with Glame Highpass 4-pole filter at 38Hz right
now. There ain't nothing below that.
The kick is boosted by 1.5dB at 50Hz. The bass is boosted by similar amount at 60Hz.
I'll play around with different values, also rolling off 80Hz on bass.
The kick DOES have compression, SC4, from memory: 5ms, 4:1, 100ms release, and it grabs
from 2dB to 8dB of gain reduction. Bass is just limited with a nice tube compressor at
recording time; the bass player's fingers are their own compression (he's got an
active preamp bass, and he plays loud).
As for clips, I sure hope there aren't any on the guitar, and I'd be surprised if
there were. What you're hearing on the sax is the "slap" of the reed he was
using. I've got a compressor on that too.
The snare is mic'ed top and bottom (phase adjusted in Ardour), and there's
compression on both of those channels.
I'll try messing around with 100Hz and figuring out what's in that range, also
maybe notching it out.
As for compression, I don't understand how it could solve the "car stereo
problem". I am NOT hearing sudden peaks of energy on car stereos, I'm hearing
just way too much kick, ALL the time, and also way too much bass, ALL the time. Come to
think of it, I'm hearing way too much low mids all around on car stereos and club
systems, even the guitar and vocals... starting to point towards that 100Hz area...
perhaps I'll try hauling those out.
Thanks everyone for the comments!
-ken
I agree
with the suggestion to make sure you rid yourself of anything
below 50hz. I'm not sure, but this could be what's causing the trouble
on some systems.
Heh, well, the problem with car bass and clubs is usually they're very
very underdamped and also very peaky. They want to seem powerful.
It's way easier to get Big Volume at 100Hz than 50, so guess what
cheapy systems do... When you hear a Honda with the hood rattling from
bass, I'd bet a hamburger it's around 100-125Hz.
That said, even with the peaky response and the lack of damping, the
original recording isn't compressing/leveling the bass much/at all.
The notes and hits are varying in power by maybe a factor of three or
four. Compression is usually the way to even that out and make sure
you don't have a mix of 'OK' and 'way too hot'. It's hard to do
that
in a recording without having the instruments in seperate tracks, so I
didn't really try in the version I sent to the list. It's all the
multiband smoothing it out, and that works better above bass. From what I remember from the days I spent at a
(admittedly small)
studio I'd say forget everything below 50Hz. You know how
filters work,
-3dB at cutoff and then it depends how steep the filter is, so if you
set it at 50Hz you'll still have some stuff below that.
Purely from what I remember I'd say you're playing with too low
frequencies. I think of bass at 100Hz+. Kick is a different story, it's
character is at way higher frequencies and its bass may not matter at
all.
This is all very generalised, of course. I didn't play with the mixes at
all, just listening as I type. I don't even have anything set up to do a
proper level/volume matched A/B comparison and Montys mixes are far louder.
Hope it helps anyway.
Oh, and nice music ;)
Regards,
Philipp
10 Apr
10 Apr
11:28 p.m.
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OK, one last take. This one tries a little harder to keep the punch,
backs off on the reverb and compression, and also tries harder to
limit/level the bass so there aren't places where the mid-bass
suddenly booms right through the mix. It also brings the loudness up
a bit more to match typical contemporary music, though I tried not to
overdo it.
http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/lahar/foie-A-test3.ogg
http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/lahar/ginseng-A-test3.ogg
Unfortunately with the multiband compression bringing some of the
treble detail more forward, it's clear the original instrumental
tracks have clipping in places (or some clipping happened somewhere in
mixdown). I think that's where the clicking in the sax and some of
the guitar in Foie is coming from, and in most of the second half of
Ginseng the snare is very buzzy/distorted as if clipped. It's like
that in the track before I started messing with it, just much less
noticable.
This is mostly for my own amusement, I haven't gotten to do any
armchair mastering in a long time :-) I know it's not particularly
'pro'. And I''m too in love with reverb.
(I'll take the tracks down in a day or two. Or immediately if Ken prefers.)
Cheers,
Monty
11 Apr
11 Apr
3:20 a.m.
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Hi, Monty!
I'd love to see the actual *.jam files too :)
2010/4/11 Monty Montgomery <xiphmont(a)gmail.com>om>:
OK, one last take. This one tries a little harder to
keep the punch,
backs off on the reverb and compression, and also tries harder to
limit/level the bass so there aren't places where the mid-bass
suddenly booms right through the mix. It also brings the loudness up
a bit more to match typical contemporary music, though I tried not to
overdo it.
http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/lahar/foie-A-test3.ogg
http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/lahar/ginseng-A-test3.ogg
Unfortunately with the multiband compression bringing some of the
treble detail more forward, it's clear the original instrumental
tracks have clipping in places (or some clipping happened somewhere in
mixdown). I think that's where the clicking in the sax and some of
the guitar in Foie is coming from, and in most of the second half of
Ginseng the snare is very buzzy/distorted as if clipped. It's like
that in the track before I started messing with it, just much less
noticable.
This is mostly for my own amusement, I haven't gotten to do any
armchair mastering in a long time :-) I know it's not particularly
'pro'. And I''m too in love with reverb.
(I'll take the tracks down in a day or two. Or immediately if Ken prefers.)
Cheers,
Monty
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12 Apr
12 Apr
8:14 p.m.
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On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 09:28:44PM -0400, Monty Montgomery wrote:
OK, one last take. This one tries a little harder to
keep the punch,
backs off on the reverb and compression, and also tries harder to
limit/level the bass so there aren't places where the mid-bass
suddenly booms right through the mix. It also brings the loudness up
a bit more to match typical contemporary music, though I tried not to
overdo it.
http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/lahar/foie-A-test3.ogg
http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/lahar/ginseng-A-test3.ogg
Unfortunately with the multiband compression bringing some of the
treble detail more forward, it's clear the original instrumental
tracks have clipping in places (or some clipping happened somewhere in
mixdown). I think that's where the clicking in the sax and some of
the guitar in Foie is coming from, and in most of the second half of
Ginseng the snare is very buzzy/distorted as if clipped. It's like
that in the track before I started messing with it, just much less
noticable.
Wow, your ears are good!
There is a soft clip on the attack the snare bottom mic:
http://lahar.s3.amazonaws.com/snareclip.png
Couldn't hear it, but sure can see it.
What you're seeing is the raw WAV file, no processing, which was recorded in my
friend's studio on ProTools, using some kind of tube compressor going into a Digi
firewire interface, then imported into Ardour.
It's nowhere near digital clipping, so perhaps the clip was in the compressor or the
preamp? I dunno. Maybe I'll try running it through postfish's "declip".
This is mostly for my own amusement, I haven't gotten to do any
armchair mastering in a long time :-) I know it's not particularly
'pro'. And I''m too in love with reverb.
(I'll take the tracks down in a day or two. Or immediately if Ken prefers.)
Yeah, you can probably pull them now.
So it turns out there were HUGE modes in THREE instruments in the 70-200Hz low mids. The
main sound of the guitar was 180Hz! The fundamental of the kick is 80Hz and the bass has a
huge booming resonant mode around 120Hz.
Here is a remixed Ginseng Strut with 120Hz hauled out of the bass, 80Hz hauled out of the
kick, and around 180Hz hauled out of the guitar:
http://lahar.s3.amazonaws.com/scratchmixes-basic/ginseng-A.ogg
I'm trying to decide if I should go through all the tracks and do this EQ trick on
these three instruments, or just fix it at the mastering stage.
Also, thanks for pointing me to postfix. I love it. TEN bands of compression instead of
three, and I like the UI better than JAMIN (i.e. thresholds and meters in the same place).
Bummer it doesn't do JACK, but I like the idea of doing mastering in batch mode after
the mix stage anyway.
-ken
10:36 p.m.
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(I'll take
the tracks down in a day or two. Or immediately if Ken prefers.)
Yeah, you can probably pull them now. So it turns out there were HUGE modes in THREE
instruments in the 70-200Hz low mids. The main sound of the guitar was 180Hz! The
fundamental of the kick is 80Hz and the bass has a huge booming resonant mode around
120Hz.
A mudbath :-)
Here is a remixed Ginseng Strut with 120Hz hauled out
of the bass, 80Hz hauled out of the kick, and around 180Hz hauled out of the guitar:
http://lahar.s3.amazonaws.com/scratchmixes-basic/ginseng-A.ogg
I'm trying to decide if I should go through all the tracks and do this EQ trick on
these three instruments, or just fix it at the mastering stage.
You could play with limiting those frequencies in the intrument (with
a band or two of multiband compressor) instead of / in addition to EQ.
Also, thanks for pointing me to postfix. I love it.
TEN bands of compression instead of three, and I like the UI better than JAMIN (i.e.
thresholds and meters in the same place). Bummer it doesn't do JACK, but I like the
idea of doing mastering in batch mode after the mix stage anyway.
Many people have asked me to JACKify it. It honestly needs alot of
other work too to be something I want to officially support. But I do
at least try to keep if going for the people who already know about it
and want to keep using it.
Monty
13 Apr
13 Apr
12:17 a.m.
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On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 08:36:18PM -0400, Monty Montgomery wrote:
They're gone.
OK I fixed the mud, and the posted version is fed through JAMIN (sorry) just to hear what
it sounds like. Pretty good in fact.
As for the soft clipping on the bottom mic from the snare, I set SC4 to limiting mode,
peak, and 1.5ms attack, 50ms decay, to flatten out those smacks that had the clip, but
still bring out the detail of the rolls.
Might could still do that.
I found it helpful to listen to the track with JAMIN inline, because it brought out those
details I needed to fix. Would be nice if postfish had that capability too. I dunno. Who
else is using it?
-ken
(I'll take the tracks down in a day or two. Or
immediately if Ken prefers.)
Yeah, you can probably pull them now. So it turns out there were HUGE modes in THREE
instruments in the 70-200Hz low mids. The main sound of the guitar was 180Hz! The
fundamental of the kick is 80Hz and the bass has a huge booming resonant mode around
120Hz.
A mudbath :-)
> Here is a remixed Ginseng Strut with 120Hz hauled out of the bass, 80Hz hauled out
of the kick, and around 180Hz hauled out of the guitar:
>
> http://lahar.s3.amazonaws.com/scratchmixes-basic/ginseng-A.ogg
> I'm trying
to decide if I should go through all the tracks and do this EQ trick on these three
instruments, or just fix it at the mastering stage.
You could play with limiting those frequencies in the intrument (with
a band or two of multiband compressor) instead of / in addition to EQ.
Also, thanks
for pointing me to postfix. I love it. TEN bands of compression instead of three, and I
like the UI better than JAMIN (i.e. thresholds and meters in the same place). Bummer it
doesn't do JACK, but I like the idea of doing mastering in batch mode after the mix
stage anyway.
Many people have asked me to JACKify it. It honestly needs alot of
other work too to be something I want to officially support. But I do
at least try to keep if going for the people who already know about it
and want to keep using it.
12:23 a.m.
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I found it helpful to listen to the track with JAMIN
inline, because it brought out those details I needed to fix. Would be nice if postfish
had that capability too. I dunno. Who else is using it?
A few old-timers on the Audacity lists still use it as I was
developing it at a time I was also hacking on Audacity. That was some
time ago. I have far fewer hobbies since the first kid arrived.
Monty
1:55 a.m.
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On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:23:21PM -0400, Monty Montgomery wrote:
Yeah, I know how that goes. I stopped playing music entirely from just before my daughter
was born, up until she was about 6. If I'd had two or three kids, I'd still not be
playing music now.
After poking around in postfish, it's MUCH more powerful than JAMIN, but the
impediment to my using it, is that neither it, nor mplayer, nor even aplay, seem to like
my FastTrack Pro:
Could not set DSP fragment size; continuing.
Unable to set playback for 16 bits, 2 channels, 44100Hz
I set postfish for 24 bits, and...
Could not set DSP fragment size; continuing.
Could not set DSP fragment size; continuing.
Unable to set playback for 24 bits, 2 channels, 44100Hz
Not postfish's fault; aplay is unhappy too:
aplay -D hw:0,0 foie-A.wav
Playing WAVE 'foie-A.wav' : Signed 24 bit Little Endian in 3bytes, Rate 44100 Hz,
Stereo
aplay: set_params:918: Sample format non available
And neither is mplayer:
Playing foie-A.wav.
Audio file file format detected.
==========================================================================
Opening audio decoder: [pcm] Uncompressed PCM audio decoder
AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 1411.2 kbit/100.00% (ratio: 176400->176400)
Selected audio codec: [pcm] afm: pcm (Uncompressed PCM)
==========================================================================
[AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_direct.c:905:(snd1_pcm_direct_initialize_slave) requested or
auto-format is not available
[AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to initialize slave
[AO_ALSA] Playback open error: Invalid argument
Failed to initialize audio driver 'alsa'
Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
Audio: no sound
Video: no video
If I convert the file to 24-bit using sndconvert, still no happiness:
aplay foie-24.wav
ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:905:(snd1_pcm_direct_initialize_slave) requested or auto-format is
not available
ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to initialize slave
aplay: main:564: audio open error: Invalid argument
Playing foie-24.wav.
Audio file file format detected.
==========================================================================
Opening audio decoder: [pcm] Uncompressed PCM audio decoder
AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s24le, 2116.8 kbit/100.00% (ratio: 264600->264600)
Selected audio codec: [pcm] afm: pcm (Uncompressed PCM)
==========================================================================
[AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_direct.c:905:(snd1_pcm_direct_initialize_slave) requested or
auto-format is not available
[AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to initialize slave
[AO_ALSA] Playback open error: Invalid argument
Failed to initialize audio driver 'alsa'
Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
Audio: no sound
Video: no video
This is whatta I gots:
M-Audio FastTrack Pro at usb-0000:00:1d.0-2, full speed : USB Audio #1
Playback:
Status: Stop
Interface 3
Altset 2
Format: 0x21
Channels: 2
Endpoint: 4 OUT (ADAPTIVE)
Rates: 44100, 48000
Interface 3
Altset 5
Format: 0x21
Channels: 2
Endpoint: 4 OUT (ASYNC)
Rates: 8000 - 48000 (continuous)
JACK, by the way, works perfectly though:
JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
loading driver ..
SSE2 detected
apparent rate = 44100
creating alsa driver ... hw:0,0|hw:0,1|128|3|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit
control device hw:0
configuring for 44100Hz, period = 128 frames (2.9 ms), buffer = 3 periods
ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 24bit big-endian
ALSA: use 3 periods for capture
ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 24bit big-endian
ALSA: use 3 periods for playback
-ken
I found it
helpful to listen to the track with JAMIN inline, because it brought out those details I
needed to fix. Would be nice if postfish had that capability too. I dunno. Who else is
using it?
A few old-timers on the Audacity lists still use it as I was
developing it at a time I was also hacking on Audacity. That was some
time ago. I have far fewer hobbies since the first kid arrived.
2:01 a.m.
New subject: Some new music made (mostly) with Linux -- comments on mix?
I think the problem is that the FTPro wants big endian samples (which
is a tad unusual, but not 'bad') and the other tools want to send it
the native machine endianness (always little endian on intel
processors).
ALSA will be able to play if you use a plug: device. Postfish is old,
so it's OSS only. It's a little weird that the ALSA OSS emulation
won't accept little endian playback through the OSS device and just do
the swapping.
Monty
11 Apr
11 Apr
3:18 a.m.
New subject: Some new music made (mostly) with Linux -- comments on mix?
Hi, Ken!
Very funky song. Thanks for sharing! :)
2010/4/10 Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org>rg>:
We're getting very near release for our first CD,
which was mixed, edited and overdubbed on Linux in Ardour, and will probably be mastered
on Linux as well. Here are some getting-pretty-close-to-finished mixes:
http://lahar.s3.amazonaws.com/scratchmixes-basic/foie-A.ogg
http://lahar.s3.amazonaws.com/scratchmixes-basic/ginseng-A.ogg
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Truly yours, Oleg Ivanenko aka Ash
[if it wasn't so sad, it would be funny]
6:22 p.m.
Hello Ken!
I just listened to both songs. all in all I can say I like them. Nice the
way the Clav is used in "Ginseng". The things I noted down, but this is mostly
personal preference only.
The sax in Foie gets too quite after its solo. A bit more volume wouldn't
hurt I think. This way it really sounds faded-out a blittle. Where as less
fading, would just sound like stepping back from the mic.
I think the ride in both recordings is too quiet. You can hear the hitting
OK, but the swinging of the metal is too low for my taste. I have the feeling,
that the kit is sampled or badly mixed. I guess, I would have used a
compressor set to RMS with a short attack and long (600-800ms) release, to be
able to crank it up a bit ad make it sound a bit more substantial.
Nothing wrong with the bass here. Maybe even quieter than I expected it to
be. But it sounds really nice and smooth to me, listeneing on my monitors. No
high-end equipment, but very OK.
Besides that, they're lovely songs. I like my bit of funky every now and
again. :-)
Kindly yorus
Julien
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12 Apr
12 Apr
6:07 p.m.
Ken Restivo skreiv:
We're getting very near release for our first CD,
which was mixed,
edited and overdubbed on Linux in Ardour, and will probably be
mastered on Linux as well. Here are some
getting-pretty-close-to-finished mixes:
http://lahar.s3.amazonaws.com/scratchmixes-basic/foie-A.ogg
Based on a rough comparison with George Duke's version of "Mothership
Connection", in my Sennheiser HD-25 II, it sounds like it has at least
as much bass. However, it does not sound particularly bassy.
What I usually do, which is probably not well received in the church of
audio mixing, but works well nevertheless, is to cut all frequencies in
the lower part of the bass range, about until the cut is evident on
non-bassy equipment. That way only the ranges of the bass which you
want, will be blasted through (and probably colored by) the PA.
Otherwise I find both of the tracks funky!
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8:19 p.m.
New subject: Some new music made (mostly) with Linux -- comments on mix?
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:07:12PM +0200, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote:
Ken Restivo skreiv:
Thanks. The problem wasn't really bass so much as it was low-mids. Once I fix the
low-mids problem, I can probably pull back on the kick a little bit.
We're getting very near release for our first
CD, which was mixed,
edited and overdubbed on Linux in Ardour, and will probably be
mastered on Linux as well. Here are some
getting-pretty-close-to-finished mixes:
http://lahar.s3.amazonaws.com/scratchmixes-basic/foie-A.ogg
Based on a rough comparison with George Duke's version of "Mothership
Connection", in my Sennheiser HD-25 II, it sounds like it has at least
as much bass. However, it does not sound particularly bassy.
What I usually do, which is probably not well received
in the church of
audio mixing, but works well nevertheless, is to cut all frequencies in
the lower part of the bass range, about until the cut is evident on
non-bassy equipment. That way only the ranges of the bass which you
want, will be blasted through (and probably colored by) the PA.
Otherwise I find both of the tracks funky!
Thanks! I like your DJ stuff; you sure do have an ear for funk.
Hmm, maybe I'll try to convince the guys to CC at least a few tracks, so that folks
can remix them.
-ken
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