17 Jul
2011
17 Jul
'11
5:33 a.m.
I am preparing to give a talk on the wider ramifications of music.
One of the things I wish to demonstrate is that things that look different
are merely analogs but at different scales.
eg if something vibrates at 400Hz we hear a sound of A-flat. If it
'vibrates' at 4 Hz we hear a beat.
In the same analogy a 2 vs 3 poly-rhythm (should?) change to a do-so chord.
And so on.
Is there some kind of software where I can make a 4 Hz beat and pull a
slider or a freq text box entry until it sound like a A-flat note?
17 Jul
17 Jul
9:51 a.m.
Excerpts from Rustom Mody's message of 2011-07-17 05:33:44 +0200:
I am preparing to give a talk on the wider
ramifications of music.
One of the things I wish to demonstrate is that things that look different
are merely analogs but at different scales.
eg if something vibrates at 400Hz we hear a sound of A-flat. If it
'vibrates' at 4 Hz we hear a beat.
In the same analogy a 2 vs 3 poly-rhythm (should?) change to a do-so chord.
And so on.
I suggest you do some experiments before you give a talk. At 4 Hz you
won't be able to hear anything, you won't even be able to reproduce a
4 Hz sound with common speakers.
Is there some kind of software where I can make a 4 Hz
beat and pull a
slider or a freq text box entry until it sound like a A-flat note?
puredata springs to mind, it's easy to use and has everything you need.
Regards,
Philipp
10:41 a.m.
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Philipp Überbacher
<hollunder(a)lavabit.com>wrote;wrote:
Excerpts from Rustom Mody's message of 2011-07-17
05:33:44 +0200:
You took me quite literally, [I did put the vibrate into quotes :-) ]
Let me spell out the experiment in more detail:
Say I have a rhythm in 4/4 time -- 4 even quarter notes, bar repeating every
second played by say a click. [What kind of click I am not very sure; sharp
with few harmonics would be best I expect]
Now if there were some (realtime) way of sliding the tempo from 1 sec to
millisec I expect the separate clicks would vanish into a hum at some stage.
This (and other such experiments) is what I want to demo.
Ive started looking at chuck.
How does it compare with puredata?
I am preparing to give a talk on the wider
ramifications of music.
One of the things I wish to demonstrate is that things that look
different
are merely analogs but at different scales.
eg if something vibrates at 400Hz we hear a sound of A-flat. If it
'vibrates' at 4 Hz we hear a beat.
In the same analogy a 2 vs 3 poly-rhythm (should?) change to a do-so
chord.
And so on.
I suggest you do some experiments before you give a talk. At 4 Hz you
won't be able to hear anything, you won't even be able to reproduce a
4 Hz sound with common speakers.
Is there some
kind of software where I can make a 4 Hz beat and pull a
slider or a freq text box entry until it sound like a A-flat note?
puredata springs to mind, it's easy to use and has everything you need.
Regards,
Philipp
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1:27 p.m.
On 07/17/2011 10:41 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Philipp Überbacher
<hollunder(a)lavabit.com>wrote;wrote:
Exactly. Just take a short audio-sample (aka grain) and trigger it
repeatedly. Increase the trigger freq. (aka grain-speed) from 4 Hz -> 400Hz.
Search the net for granular-synthesis. Your use-case is not the typical
grain-synth application, but the principle is the same.
Excerpts from Rustom Mody's message of
2011-07-17 05:33:44 +0200:
You took me quite literally, [I did put the vibrate into quotes :-) ]
Let me spell out the experiment in more detail:
Say I have a rhythm in 4/4 time -- 4 even quarter notes, bar repeating every
second played by say a click. [What kind of click I am not very sure; sharp
with few harmonics would be best I expect] I am preparing to give a talk on the wider
ramifications of music.
One of the things I wish to demonstrate is that things that look
different
are merely analogs but at different scales.
eg if something vibrates at 400Hz we hear a sound of A-flat. If it
'vibrates' at 4 Hz we hear a beat.
In the same analogy a 2 vs 3 poly-rhythm (should?) change to a do-so
chord.
And so on.
I suggest you do some experiments before you give a talk. At 4 Hz you
won't be able to hear anything, you won't even be able to reproduce a
4 Hz sound with common speakers.
Now if there were some (realtime) way of sliding the
tempo from 1 sec to
millisec I expect the separate clicks would vanish into a hum at some stage.
This (and other such experiments) is what I want to demo.
Ive started looking at chuck.
How does it compare with puredata?
It's a bit of an apples vs oranges question.
the main difference: Chuck you program in text, pure-data you
graphically connect "objects" (if you know Max/MSP: pure-data is similar).
AFAIK, Chuck does not offer GUI elements - you'll need to implement the
slider via OSC or use a "text slider".
>> Is there some kind of software where I can
make a 4 Hz beat and pull a
>> slider or a freq text box entry until it sound like a A-flat note?
>
> puredata springs to mind, it's easy to use and has everything you need.
Indeed. Though chuck, supercollider, csound,... could all do the trick.
If you know neither of those. Pure-data is probably the easiest to get
started with.
http://www.timvets.net/video/grains.php will do what you want with Pd.
HTH,
robin
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> Philipp
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18 Jul
18 Jul
4:02 a.m.
On 07/17/2011 10:41 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:
I'm not sure that does what he wants. He asked for a tool that takes an
existing signal/tone and then down tunes it. What you are suggesting
creates an emulation of that process but generates a completely new
signal/tone.
It would achieve a similar sound but is functionally quite a different
process.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Philipp
Überbacher
<hollunder(a)lavabit.com>wrote;wrote:
Exactly. Just take a short audio-sample (aka grain) and trigger it
repeatedly. Increase the trigger freq. (aka grain-speed) from 4 Hz ->
400Hz.
Search the net for granular-synthesis. Your use-case is not the typical
grain-synth application, but the principle is the same.
Excerpts from Rustom Mody's message of
2011-07-17 05:33:44 +0200:
You took me quite literally, [I did put the vibrate into quotes :-) ]
Let me spell out the experiment in more detail:
Say I have a rhythm in 4/4 time -- 4 even quarter notes, bar repeating
every
second played by say a click. [What kind of click I am not very sure;
sharp
with few harmonics would be best I expect] I am preparing to give a talk on the wider
ramifications of music.
One of the things I wish to demonstrate is that things that look
different
are merely analogs but at different scales.
eg if something vibrates at 400Hz we hear a sound of A-flat. If it
'vibrates' at 4 Hz we hear a beat.
In the same analogy a 2 vs 3 poly-rhythm (should?) change to a do-so
chord.
And so on.
I suggest you do some experiments before you give a talk. At 4 Hz you
won't be able to hear anything, you won't even be able to reproduce a
4 Hz sound with common speakers.
Now if there were some (realtime) way of sliding
the tempo from 1 sec to
millisec I expect the separate clicks would vanish into a hum at some
stage.
This (and other such experiments) is what I want to demo.
Ive started looking at chuck.
How does it compare with puredata?
It's a bit of an apples vs oranges question.
the main difference: Chuck you program in text, pure-data you
graphically connect "objects" (if you know Max/MSP: pure-data is similar).
AFAIK, Chuck does not offer GUI elements - you'll need to implement the
slider via OSC or use a "text slider".
>> Is there some kind of software where I
can make a 4 Hz beat and pull a
>> slider or a freq text box entry until it sound like a A-flat note?
>
> puredata springs to mind, it's easy to use and has everything you need.
Indeed. Though chuck, supercollider, csound,... could all do the trick.
If you know neither of those. Pure-data is probably the easiest to get
started with.
http://www.timvets.net/video/grains.php will do what you want with Pd.
1:07 p.m.
On 07/18/2011 04:02 AM, pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com wrote:
You are right or course. It's not modeling the desired effect correctly;
Yet it's close enough and much more robust and convicing for a Demo.
Actually http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/ may be the tool of choice.
Here's a video where it is used to slow down some Bach so that you can
hear the "beating/pulsing" introduce by equal-temperament tuning:
http://www.youtube.com/user/mcldx#p/a/u/0/uOOhvw89jc4
ciao,
robin
On 07/17/2011
10:41 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:
I'm not sure that does what he wants. He asked for a tool that takes an
existing signal/tone and then down tunes it. What you are suggesting
creates an emulation of that process but generates a completely new
signal/tone.
It would achieve a similar sound but is functionally quite a different
process. On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Philipp
Überbacher
<hollunder(a)lavabit.com>wrote;wrote:
Exactly. Just take a short audio-sample (aka grain) and trigger it
repeatedly. Increase the trigger freq. (aka grain-speed) from 4 Hz ->
400Hz.
Search the net for granular-synthesis. Your use-case is not the typical
grain-synth application, but the principle is the same.
Excerpts from Rustom Mody's message of
2011-07-17 05:33:44 +0200:
> I am preparing to give a talk on the wider ramifications of music.
> One of the things I wish to demonstrate is that things that look
different
> are merely analogs but at different scales.
>
> eg if something vibrates at 400Hz we hear a sound of A-flat. If it
> 'vibrates' at 4 Hz we hear a beat.
> In the same analogy a 2 vs 3 poly-rhythm (should?) change to a do-so
chord.
> And so on.
I suggest you do some experiments before you give a talk. At 4 Hz you
won't be able to hear anything, you won't even be able to reproduce a
4 Hz sound with common speakers.
You took me quite literally, [I did put the vibrate into quotes :-) ]
Let me spell out the experiment in more detail:
Say I have a rhythm in 4/4 time -- 4 even quarter notes, bar repeating
every
second played by say a click. [What kind of click I am not very sure;
sharp
with few harmonics would be best I expect] Now if there were some (realtime) way of sliding
the tempo from 1 sec to
millisec I expect the separate clicks would vanish into a hum at some
stage.
This (and other such experiments) is what I want to demo.
Ive started looking at chuck.
How does it compare with puredata?
It's a bit of an apples vs oranges question.
the main difference: Chuck you program in text, pure-data you
graphically connect "objects" (if you know Max/MSP: pure-data is similar).
AFAIK, Chuck does not offer GUI elements - you'll need to implement the
slider via OSC or use a "text slider".
>> Is there some kind of software where I
can make a 4 Hz beat and pull a
>> slider or a freq text box entry until it sound like a A-flat note?
>
> puredata springs to mind, it's easy to use and has everything you need.
Indeed. Though chuck, supercollider, csound,... could all do the trick.
If you know neither of those. Pure-data is probably the easiest to get
started with.
http://www.timvets.net/video/grains.php will do what you want with Pd.
17 Jul
17 Jul
6:33 p.m.
Hi Rustom!
Idea: a 2 vs. 3 tuplet that becomes a 5th after 30 seconds
In SuperCollider that would be:
{
var x = XLine.kr(2,200,30);
Ringz.ar(Impulse.ar(x * [2,3]), 440, 0.2, 0.3)
}.play
On in one line:
{Ringz.ar(Impulse.ar(XLine.kr(2,200,30) * [2,3]), 440, 0.2, 0.3)}.play
6:49 p.m.
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Rustom!
Idea: a 2 vs. 3 tuplet that becomes a 5th after 30 seconds
In SuperCollider that would be:
{
var x = XLine.kr(2,200,30);
Ringz.ar(Impulse.ar(x * [2,3]), 440, 0.2, 0.3)
}.play
On in one line:
{Ringz.ar(Impulse.ar(XLine.kr(2,200,30) * [2,3]), 440, 0.2, 0.3)}.play
Oho! Thats succinct! But supercollider seems to have been dropped from
debian.
[Downloading from here now
http://danielnouri.org/blog/music/supercollider-3.2-ubuntu-and-debian-packa…
]
In the meanwhile Ive got something hacked together with chuck
https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/pipermail/chuck-users/2011-July/006269.html
for anyone who is interested
7:10 p.m.
Actually you can get rid of the Filter and use raw impulses,
would be less writing but worse sounding:
{ Impulse.ar( XLine.kr(2,200,30) * [2,3]) }.play
18 Jul
18 Jul
1:13 p.m.
On 07/17/2011 06:49 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Bernardo Barros
<bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com
It's just about to find it's way back in again (v3.4.4)
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/supercollider.git;a=summ…
Meanwhile I've recently made some i386 and source-packages (currently
3.4.3) for my own use: http://rg42.org/deb/pool/main/s/supercollider/
wrote:
Hi Rustom!
Idea: a 2 vs. 3 tuplet that becomes a 5th after 30 seconds
In SuperCollider that would be:
{
var x = XLine.kr(2,200,30);
Ringz.ar(Impulse.ar(x * [2,3]), 440, 0.2, 0.3)
}.play
On in one line:
{Ringz.ar(Impulse.ar(XLine.kr(2,200,30) * [2,3]), 440, 0.2, 0.3)}.play
Oho! Thats succinct! But supercollider seems to have been dropped from
debian. [Downloading from here now
http://danielnouri.org/blog/music/supercollider-3.2-ubuntu-and-debian-packa…
]
In the meanwhile Ive got something hacked together with chuck
https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/pipermail/chuck-users/2011-July/006269.html
for anyone who is interested
Cheers!
robin
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