17 Oct
2011
17 Oct
'11
2:29 a.m.
I have scored a gig doing music for a feature film.
They want us to use "...the same software that was used for the submission..."
- yay for Linux audio!
Now, my singer has a shiny new mac laptop. I have a linux based laptop and a linux tower
will be added on commencement of the job. We want to have a common application stack, and
hook everything up with netjack.
On my box I'm using latest dev sources, which I will freeze:
Jack2
Qjackcontrol
js_wrap
Ardour2 (Hopefully purchase Mixbus for the project)
Rosegarden (scoring)
QTractor (sequencing, instrument host)
Hydrogen
Xjadeo
ladspa/dssi/lv2/vst (win)
What are the options here on the mac side?
Using netjack on the mac ... how? Is there a gui?
Is there any kind of session support on the mac or am I better off using shell scripts?
I have exactly zero experience with macs, it's all new. I do not want to use
sources.
Shane Richards
Producer, Composer, Multi-instrumentalist
Josh Music
shanerich(a)email.com
www.josh.com.co
www.shanerichardsmusic.com
17 Oct
17 Oct
9:22 a.m.
Hi Shane!
Congrats on getting the job!
Out of all those apps only Ardour, Mixbus and Hydrogen have official Mac
ports as far as I'm aware- js_wrap should be easy enough to compile yourself
I'd imagine if you get Xcode.
You'll prob be happy enough using JACKpilot, the OSX JACK gui bundled with
JACKOSX although I have heard of qjackctl osx packages floating around
although I don't think Rui has a Mac or provides any OSX support although
theoretically it shold all 'just work' anyway I suppose if you get it to
compile and JACK is installed.
Note that the OSX version of A2 doesn't support LV2 plugins!
Which brings me nicely onto my ponderings on OSX/Linux compatibility wrt the
upcoming Ardour 3 OSX - Mr Davis and drobilla I'm looking at you here
mainly, of course.
Will we:
* Be able to use VST(i)s under Ardour 3 OSX? If it doesn't make 3.0 I'm sure
public outcry will make it inevitable for 3.1! ;)
* Be able to save a session using lxvsts like NoiseMaker under A3 Linux then
open that session under A3 OSX if we have the correct VSTs installed or may
lxvsts be incompatible with a Mac native VST(i)?
* Least unlikely I know but would there be any chance I could save a project
using Linuxsampler as a LV2 under A3 Linux then load the same project using
the AU version of Linuxsampler under OSX?
I'm sure Shane would like to know to!
Happy Mondays!
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:29 AM, shane richards <shanerich(a)email.com> wrote:
I have scored a gig doing music for a feature film.
They want us to use "...the same software that was used for the
submission..." - yay for Linux audio!
Now, my singer has a shiny new mac laptop. I have a linux based laptop and
a linux tower will be added on commencement of the job. We want to have a
common application stack, and hook everything up with netjack.
On my box I'm using latest dev sources, which I will freeze:
Jack2
Qjackcontrol
js_wrap
Ardour2 (Hopefully purchase Mixbus for the project)
Rosegarden (scoring)
QTractor (sequencing, instrument host)
Hydrogen
Xjadeo
ladspa/dssi/lv2/vst (win)
What are the options here on the mac side?
Using netjack on the mac ... how? Is there a gui?
Is there any kind of session support on the mac or am I better off using
shell scripts?
I have exactly zero experience with macs, it's all new. I do not want to
use sources.
Shane Richards
Producer, Composer, Multi-instrumentalist
Josh Music
shanerich(a)email.com
www.josh.com.co
www.shanerichardsmusic.com
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12:28 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Will we:
* Be able to use VST(i)s under Ardour 3 OSX? If it doesn't make 3.0 I'm sure
public outcry will make it inevitable for 3.1! ;)
No. I am not aware of any notable plugins for OS X that are available
only in VST format, or rather, *not* available in AU format. Apple
ensured by that their own exclusion of VST support from some notable
programs of their own. A few independent plugin developers rely on
users using VST<->AU bridges (such as those made by FXpansion), and we
would basically be doing the same thing, but as a host.
* Be able to save a session using lxvsts like
NoiseMaker under A3 Linux then
open that session under A3 OSX if we have the correct VSTs installed or may
lxvsts be incompatible with a Mac native VST(i)?
given the above, basically no.
* Least unlikely I know but would there be any chance
I could save a project
using Linuxsampler as a LV2 under A3 Linux then load the same project using
the AU version of Linuxsampler under OSX?
yes. absolutely no reason why this would not work.
12:57 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com>wrote;wrote:
That is good news! I was expecting I'd have to compile Linuxsampler as an
LV2 under OSX just for A3.
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Dan MacDonald
<allcoms(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Are you saying A3 will have a AU<->VST bridge? If so, will we be able to
transfer sessions between lxvst plugins under A3 Linux and the same plugins
as AU's under A3 OSX? I didn't think this would be possible but if it you
say this will work between LV2 and AU plugins (as with Linuxsampler) then I
suppose it could also work for going between AU and lxvst, no? In the
specific case of NoiseMaker it makes more sense to side with AU as TAL offer
32 and 64-bit packages for AU but only 32bit for OSX VST.
Will we:
* Be able to use VST(i)s under Ardour 3 OSX? If it doesn't make 3.0 I'm
sure
public outcry will make it inevitable for 3.1! ;)
No. I am not aware of any notable plugins for OS X that are available
only in VST format, or rather, *not* available in AU format. Apple
ensured by that their own exclusion of VST support from some notable
programs of their own. A few independent plugin developers rely on
users using VST<->AU bridges (such as those made by FXpansion), and we
would basically be doing the same thing, but as a host.
* Least unlikely I know but would there be any
chance I could save a
project
using Linuxsampler as a LV2 under A3 Linux then
load the same project
using
the AU version of Linuxsampler under OSX?
yes. absolutely no reason why this would not work.
1:05 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That is good news! I was expecting I'd have to compile Linuxsampler as an
LV2 under OSX just for A3.
Sorry, I misread what you asked. No, that will not work. But you can
build LS as an LV2 for OS X.
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com>
wrote:
No. These bridges are proprietary AU (or VST) plugins that in turn
host VST (or AU) plugins. FXpansion's are the best, from what I can
gather.
If so, will we be able to
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Are you saying A3 will have a AU<->VST bridge? Will we:
* Be able to use VST(i)s under Ardour 3 OSX? If it doesn't make 3.0 I'm
sure
public outcry will make it inevitable for 3.1! ;)
No. I am not aware of any notable plugins for OS X that are available
only in VST format, or rather, *not* available in AU format. Apple
ensured by that their own exclusion of VST support from some notable
programs of their own. A few independent plugin developers rely on
users using VST<->AU bridges (such as those made by FXpansion), and we
would basically be doing the same thing, but as a host. transfer sessions between lxvst plugins under A3 Linux
and the same plugins
as AU's under A3 OSX?
As noted before, no. A3 does not host VST on OS X, and there are zero
plans to change that.
* Least unlikely I know but would there be any chance
I could save a
project
using Linuxsampler as a LV2 under A3 Linux then load the same project
using
the AU version of Linuxsampler under OSX?
yes. absolutely no reason why this would not work. 
4:43 p.m.
On 10/17/2011 02:29 AM, shane richards wrote:
I have scored a gig doing music for a feature film.
They want us to use "...the same software that was used for the submission..."
- yay for Linux audio!
Wooha. Champagne!
Now, my singer has a shiny new mac laptop. I have a
linux based laptop and a linux tower will be added on commencement of the job. We want to
have a common application stack, and hook everything up with netjack.
On my box I'm using latest dev sources, which I will freeze:
Jack2
Qjackcontrol
jack2 on OSX comes with a GUI called JackPilot. The connection dialog
is
not as nifty as qjackctl's but it gets the job done.
The Mixbus manual (free PDF download) includes a section about setting
up JACK on OSX.
js_wrap
requires glib.h - which is not avail
OOTB on OSX. Otherwise straight
forward to compile.
Ardour2 (Hopefully purchase Mixbus for the project)
native OSX version available.
Rosegarden (scoring)
There are (or at least
were) some endeavors to port it to OSX; but I
don't think there is a binary around. I am not sure.
QTractor (sequencing, instrument host)
QT apps
are usually very painless to port. But AFAIK there's no binary.
Hydrogen
don't know.
Xjadeo
native OSX version available.
ladspa/dssi/lv2/vst (win)
VST may be a problem. Also I don't know any OSX binary packages for LV2
or LADSPA, but they can be compiled just fine.
What are the options here on the mac side?
Using netjack on the mac ... how?
jack2's built-in 'netone' driver (aka netjack2) works OOTB.
Is there a gui?
yes and no. JackPilot's preferences do not include the netone/netjack
setup. I'm running 0.87 but I don't think this has changed in 0.88.
The ardour2 "Audio Setup" dialog does include it but it fails with
"invalid parameter" messages here. Launching `jackd -d netone` manually
works just fine.
Is there any kind of session support on the mac
jack2 includes jack_session support; but I don't know if it is compiled
into the OSX binary. It is not yet listed in the news at
http://jackosx.com/ and it is not available in 0.87.
or am I better off using shell scripts?
shell-scripts can be copied easily over to other systems or OS. I don't
know if you can migrate [jack-]sessions to/from OSX.
Personally I prefer a shell-script in the work-folder to a session-dir
in my $HOME, YMMV.
I have exactly zero experience with macs, it's all
new. I do not want to use sources.
You may not get around compiling a few plugins and js_wrap.
All in all: installing GNU/Linux on the Mac will be easier! :)
HTH,
robin
6:39 p.m.
On 10/17/2011 03:43 PM, Robin Gareus wrote:
On 10/17/2011 02:29 AM, shane richards wrote:
nb. qtractor doesn't build nor run on non-alsa systems
iow, qtractor is a pure linux app and will stay like so in the near future
sorry ;)
--
rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
rncbc(a)rncbc.org
QTractor (sequencing, instrument host)
QT apps are usually very painless to port. But AFAIK there's no binary. 
6:44 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc(a)rncbc.org> wrote:
On 10/17/2011 03:43 PM, Robin Gareus wrote:
I think Rosegarden is the same (mentioning it since it was on the list) ...
although attempts have been made to build Rosegarden on Windows and OS X
apparently it was pretty unstable and not usable for production work.
Oh and there are binary snapshots of unstable versions of Hydrogren, you can
try your luck are building manually on OS X
--
Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.electricminstrel.com
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"In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it
would overturn the world."
-- Jelaleddin Rumi
On 10/17/2011 02:29 AM, shane richards wrote:
QTractor (sequencing, instrument host)
QT apps are usually very painless to port.
But AFAIK there's no binary.
nb. qtractor doesn't build nor run on non-alsa systems
iow, qtractor is a pure linux app and will stay like so in the near future
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